Girl kills Grandfather over milk

They described him as bullying her. To a kid, that's horrible, but yes, I did get all emotional and call him a monster. Whoopsie, silly rabbit.

There's not enough information provided, so we'll see how this goes in court. But no, I don't think for a second that a kid belongs in an adult prison. I know 16-year-olds can go to adult prison, but its no place for a 13-year-old.

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This isn't a "crime of passion" (or rather,
temporary insanity) or premeditated; she just decided to do it when she
was pissed. She knew what she was doing. The worrying bit is not that
she's unsympathetic to her victim but unafraid of the consequences.

Nope, that's still considered a crime of passion. If she was really bullied, it's not different from the abused wife that whacks her husband while he's asleep. Why not kill him while he's awake? Well, because while he's awake he could probably kick her ass.

Anyway, you guys are missing this:

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Brown knocked the milk out of Moon's hand, and when he turned, she
swung at him, according to the complaint. Aldridge said she thought
Moon had been punched in the face, but then saw he was covered in blood.

She swung to hurt him, not kill him. Apparently, she hit an artery. That matters in court.

I'm more surprised about people here calling for her to be tried as an adult. Guys, she's 13 years old. This is the same demographic that made the Jonas Brothers and Myle whats-her-name big acts. These are the kids that love High School Musical, write Harry Potter having Snape's assbabies and lust over Legolas at ff.net.

She's a kid and should be tried as one. And probably be sent to a psychologist and given mental health support, because she could probably be rehabilitated.

I am so glad I don't have to sit on this jury.

Everyone's assuming she's abused. Y'all know what making assumptions does? Makes an ass out of you and umption.

They reported a 'history'. We don't know what that history is, ergo, we can't really make judgements on whether or not she was abused. What we do know is that she seems unrepentant, for whatever reason, and that she killed her step-grandfather over a glass of milk and that he was being an ass for pouring it down the sink. That's it.

In the next few days people will come forward with stories about the family and the grandfather, and the kid, and the milk, more than likely, and then we can dissect what information comes available. As it stands, she did something horrible, and more than a few people on here appear to be blaming the victim. I found that incredibly offensive. If she was abused and went all Burning Bed on grandpa, that's one thing and is considered self-defense in a court of law. If not, losing one's temper is not justification for killing someone, and after the proper psych evaluation, I would hope she'd be tried as the court sees fit, either as a child or adult, and no matter what, I hope she gets the punishment she deserves for committing this crime.

Wow. I wonder how much more PC I can get. ><

Maximilia wrote:

In the next few days people will come forward with stories about the family and the grandfather, and the kid, k,and the milk, more than likely, and then we can dissect what information comes available.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MILK.

Ceres wrote:

I'm more surprised about people here calling for her to be tried as an adult. Guys, she's 13 years old.

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State law mandates that children older than 10 accused of first-degree intentional or reckless homicide be charged in adult court, said district attorney John Chisholm.

Obey da LAW! Get her 20 years, that should fix her ri-

Ceres wrote:

This is the same demographic that made the Jonas Brothers and Myle whats-her-name big acts. These are the kids that love High School Musical, write Harry Potter having Snape's assbabies and lust over Legolas at ff.net.

60 years. Without parole.


Also, what the fuck are you people even arguing about? Semantics? Trivial Details? Irrelevant Circumstances?

She stabbed and killed a guy. Not in self-defense or in defense of others. There are no excuses for this shit.

Murder, just like sex, porn, drinking, smoking and swearing are the territory of adults. The moment you decide to tread on that territory, you get treated like an adult.

theweirdkind wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

In the next few days people will come forward with stories about the family and the grandfather, and the kid, k,and the milk, more than likely, and then we can dissect what information comes available.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MILK.

It was 2%, with Nesquik added. So the rumors say.

>.>

Maximilia wrote:

theweirdkind wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

In the next few days people will come forward with stories about the family and the grandfather, and the kid, k,and the milk, more than likely, and then we can dissect what information comes available.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MILK.

It was 2%, with Nesquik added. So the rumors say.

>.>

IT CAME IN BAGS.

Psy-4 wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

theweirdkind wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

In the next few days people will come forward with stories about the family and the grandfather, and the kid, k,and the milk, more than likely, and then we can dissect what information comes available.

I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE MILK.

It was 2%, with Nesquik added. So the rumors say.

>.>

IT CAME IN BAGS.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, MILK DRINKS YOU!

The milk was the instigator. I heard it went bad several days previous.

Delcat wrote:

The milk was the instigator. I heard it went bad several days previous.

If anything the milk was the TRUE victim in this case.
R.I.P. 2% WE WILL NEVER FORGET.

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Nope, that's still considered a crime of passion. If she was really bullied, it's not different from the abused wife that whacks her husband while he's asleep.

How do those fall under the definition of "crimes of passion"? In the U.S. crimes of passion are cases of temporary insanity. Besides the phrease "crimes of passion" is usually reserved for cases where someone has been killed in a jealous rage by a spouse or lover, not in a regular rage. Plus a woman doesn't kill in a fit of passion if she waits until the husband is asleep. That's still premeditated.
From Wiki:

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In the United States civil courts, a crime of passion is referred to as temporary insanity.

From the wiki on temp. insanity:

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The notion of temporary insanity argues that a defendant was insane, but is now sane. A defendant found to have been temporarily insane will often be released without any requirements of psychiatric treatment.

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And probably be sent to a psychologist and given mental health support, because she could probably be rehabilitated

You can't have both. Either you're crazy or you're not.

She was obviously sane enough to kill him, announce to the world about his death and has a history of threatening him. And stop with the "but she's only a baby!" nonsense SHE KILLED SOMEONE. Kids kill. Sometimes they even do it on purpose. They shouldn't be exempt from the law or given a break just because they're young.

Mafiosa wrote:

She was obviously sane enough to kill him, announce to the world about his death and has a history of threatening him. And stop with the "but she's only a baby!" nonsense SHE KILLED SOMEONE. Kids kill. Sometimes they even do it on purpose. They shouldn't be exempt from the law or given a break just because they're young.

You know what I really hate? When people take an ideal and force it onto every situation that occurs without considering all of the (possible) reasoning behind why said action occurred. If this was an isolated incident and the girl stabbed her step grandfather in the neck solely because of the milk incident, I'd be with the people that called her potentially psychotic. However, it was stated that there was a 'history' of this sort of behavior (albeit more milder) from both of them. Both. Of. Them.

The reason why the victim is being treated worse than the perpetrator here? He was a grown man; an adult that should have known better than to act like a 4-year-old towards someone that he essentially had control over. If he had done this sort of thing this time, there's absolutely no reason to believe this belittling and disrespectful behavior hadn't been done towards her in the past. One incident? Annoying. Two incidents? Angering. Possibly years of such childish behavior from someone that has the power to feed you or not? Very likely caused a metric shit ton of bitterness and resentment.

Much like other all-too-common domestic disturbances that are instigated by a seemingly trivial thing, this incident was quite likely triggered by continuous and repeated actions similar in nature. It's not often* that you hear of, say, a wife that has been hit once by her husband going psychotic and murdering him in a blind rage, so I hypothesize that this girl has had quite a long history of receiving this treatment by the victim so I'm not inclined to feel too terribly sorry for him. Your mileage may vary.

Bear in mind, though, that I do feel that certain situations warrant kids being tried as adults, one in particular that comes to mind is those two ten-year-olds that deliberately lured a toddler away from his mother and then sadistically murdered him on a train track and got very little in the way of punishment. Now a situation like that would be worthy of them being tried as an adult, but this situation? Not so much (again, in my opinion).

* Yes, I'm sure it happens but I'm just saying that most incidents where a battered spouse ends up killing their abuser stem from years of abuse.

Aggie wrote:

When people take an ideal and force it onto every situation that occurs without considering all of the (possible) reasoning behind why said action occurred.

The only reasoning that mattered was, "Did this action happened due to self-defense or defense of other?", and every other reasoning can go fuck itself.

Aggie wrote:

The reason why the victim is being treated worse than the perpetrator here? He was a grown man; an adult that should have known better than to act like a 4-year-old towards someone that he essentially had control over. If he had done this sort of thing this time, there's absolutely no reason to believe this belittling and disrespectful behavior hadn't been done towards her in the past. One incident? Annoying. Two incidents? Angering. Possibly years of such childish behavior from someone that has the power to feed you or not? Very likely caused a metric shit ton of bitterness and resentment.

Murder status - not justified; court status - not impressed.

Aggie wrote:

Much like other all-too-common domestic disturbances that are instigated by a seemingly trivial thing, this incident was quite likely triggered by continuous and repeated actions similar in nature. It's not often* that you hear of, say, a wife that has been hit once by her husband going psychotic and murdering him in a blind rage, so I hypothesize that this girl has had quite a long history of receiving this treatment by the victim so I'm not inclined to feel too terribly sorry for him. Your mileage may vary.

Hey, your hidden opinion that what she did was right and should recieve little punishment is seeping through. Just sayin'.

Aggie wrote:

Bear in mind, though, that I do feel that certain situations warrant kids being tried as adults, one in particular that comes to mind is those two ten-year-olds that deliberately lured a toddler away from his mother and then sadistically murdered him on a train track and got very little in the way of punishment. Now a situation like that would be worthy of them being tried as an adult, but this situation? Not so much (again, in my opinion).

One situation has more excuses than the other one. Too bad murder doesn't accept any.

Aggie wrote:

You know what I really hate? When people take an ideal and force it onto every situation that occurs without considering all of the (possible) reasoning behind why said action occurred.

You know what I hate? When people take a situation like a girl being teased and taunted, having her metaphorical pigtails pulled and called doodiehead, and blow it completely out of proportion, likening it to truly atrocious things like a woman getting the shit beat out of her.

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Bamshalam wrote:

Thinking that a fucking 13 year old shouldn't go to the penitentiary isn't giving her a 'free pass'.

Saying that it's completely understandable that she stabbed him, and isn't showing any remorse over it, is.

No it isn't, you stupid shit. Get a dictionary and compare the definitions of explanation and excuse.

Aggie wrote:

Bear in mind, though, that I do feel that certain situations warrant kids being tried as adults, one in particular that comes to mind is those two ten-year-olds that deliberately lured a toddler away from his mother and then sadistically murdered him on a train track and got very little in the way of punishment. Now a situation like that would be worthy of them being tried as an adult, but this situation?

Robert Thompson and John Venables WERE tried as adults, you ignorant fucking clown. And "very little punishment"? I suppose after they'd spent ten years in a juvenile detention facility, where - away from their abusive, neglectful and dysfunctional families - they'd completely turned themselves around and expressed deep remorse for what they'd done, they should've been thrown in an adult prison to be brutalised by the other inmates.

VB wrote:

Aggie wrote:

You know what I really hate? When people take an ideal and force it onto every situation that occurs without considering all of the (possible) reasoning behind why said action occurred.

You know what I hate? When people take a situation like a girl being teased and taunted, having her metaphorical pigtails pulled and called doodiehead, and blow it completely out of proportion, likening it to truly atrocious things like a woman getting the shit beat out of her.

Only extreme forms of physical abuse count as abuse, everyone! If you're not getting the shit beaten out of you on a regular basis, SUCK IT UP. That includes you, dumbfuck teenagers who hang yourselves after being taunted with mere words. And all you stupid weak bitches who are afraid because some guy keeps following you and you think he's been in your house. Also, SHUT UP ABUSED MEN YOU DON'T EXIST.

You know what I don't hate? I don't hate vests.

Aw, Wulfy called me names. Does that make me one of the cool kids, now?

Why do I have a feeling that you'd be the first one vilifying the victim if he'd been savaged by a pit bull instead of stabbed by a teenage girl?

Cyberwulf wrote:

Only extreme forms of physical abuse count as abuse, everyone! If you're not getting the shit beaten out of you on a regular basis, SUCK IT UP.

You're hilarious.

CW, if I knew you in RL, I'd probably have a great big crush on you. I kind of do already. (I bet you're thanking God for the Atlantic right now)

I can relate to how this girl might have felt.

See, if you're treated badly repeatedly, like you're lower than other people, you don't like the people that do it. They hurt you, physically or emotionally and you feel weak. You've tried to do something and it keeps happening.

When I was bullied, I know sure as hell that I hated those people. I hated them to an extent that only another person who has been bullied can understand, and I just wanted to hurt them. And if they had died, I wouldn't have been sad. Hell, I seriously considered bringing a knife to school and showing those pricks what a real 'psycho' was capable of because all I wanted was to feel in control of my life for once. Seriously, I did consider that, and tried to get up the guts, but I never could because... well, that would have been premeditated. And I didn't do it because I was scared of the consequences, not because I gave a fuck about ending their lives.

Why the hell would this girl care about her grandfather who picked on her? She shouldn't have done it. But I know what it's like to feel helpless and be pretty fucking close to doing the same thing.

Cyberwulf wrote:

Why do I have a feeling that you'd be the first one vilifying the victim if he'd been savaged by a pit bull instead of stabbed by a teenage girl?

Right? This shit is so ridiculous.

VB wrote:

Aw, Wulfy called me names. Does that make me one of the cool kids, now?

That's a very Melissa response.

Cyberwulf wrote:

Robert Thompson and John Venables WERE tried as adults, you ignorant fucking clown.

I didn't say they weren't, you immature cocksucking misandrist. I said they deserved to be.

Aggie wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

Robert Thompson and John Venables WERE tried as adults, you ignorant fucking clown.

I didn't say they weren't, you immature cocksucking misandrist.

I do like the juxtaposition of "misandrist" with "cocksucking". Misandry is wrong , but misogynistic and homophobic insults are fine.