Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:52 am
I'd also like to point out that the real draw in these books is not the fact that Edward is perfect and gorgeous. The draw is that Edward is perfect and gorgeous and obsessed with the Mary-Sue self-insert character. These books are nothing more than a narcissistic fantasy. The eroticism is derived from the man's obsession with the woman, not the woman's obsession with the man. Ask any of the fans. Edward is at his "hottest" when he's being "protective" because he simply can't bear to lose her and must gaze upon her as she sleeps and blah blah blah.
Bella (a.k.a. any loser reading this stupid fucking book) is lauded as being more intelligent than her peers, beautiful but OH SO HUMBLE at the same time, and lusted after by every guy that looks at her. All the girls want to be her friend so that they can be popular. All the cute boys and even some of the ugly ones want to ask her to the school dance. She so Sueper Special that she manages to melt the ice around Edward's heart and earns his undying devotion and obsession. He wants her so bad that it's a constant struggle for him not to drain her dry or, metaphors aside, sex her up.
Meyer squawks on about choices and the importance of them, but at the end of the series Bella has her cake and eats it too. She has a beautiful baby that she doesn't really have to work hard to take care of and won't be saddled with for long, she can still associate with her friend Jacob, and she becomes an insanely powerful and beautiful vampire. She never has to worry about growing up. She never has to worry about things like college and aging and money and what she's going to do with her life. Hell, she doesn't even have a hard time resisting human blood. Everything is tied up with a neat little bow and she gets to spend the rest of eternity worshipping and being worshipped by Edward.
The real thrill for these girls is the idea that somebody so powerful is stupidly in love with the Bella Suit and whatever reader is wearing it in her fantasies. Meyer has written the ultimate self-indulgent daydream. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the sexism is almost incidental. Meyer is so hideously immature that this is her ultimate fantasy. Being young, beautiful, completely without responsibility, and the center of some gorgeous man's universe. Wouldn't that seem like an exciting prospect to you if you were a put-upon Mormon housewife raising a litter of kids?
She has four sons and some boring-ass husband that she met when she was a child. It's obvious she was a total knockout when she was younger and is very self-conscious about the fact that she's aging. But Bella will never grow old and lose her beauty. Bella doesn't have to deal with dirty diapers and soccer practices and grocery store tantrums because Renesmee is fully self-aware and will only take 6 years to grow to maturity. Bella gets along famously with her husband's family, no shitty in-laws here. Bella doesn't have to make any decisions or do any work because Edward takes care of everything and has a fuck ton of money.
I think this series was her way of gilding her own cage. It's what her life would look like if she was allowed to play God for five minutes.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:31 am
I almost have the urge to read that on camera and post it on You Tube just to see the wank that gets started.
I so want to, its that brilliant. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:15 am
Mythandariel wrote:
I almost have the urge to read that on camera and post it on You Tube just to see the wank that gets started.
I so want to, its that brilliant. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
DO IT!
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:27 am
ZoZo wrote:
Mythandariel wrote:
I almost have the urge to read that on camera and post it on You Tube just to see the wank that gets started.
I so want to, its that brilliant. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
DO IT!
May I mention that I am WGW member and Twihards retaliate at their own risk? I would love to watch the wank and flailing fits of fail.
Penguin NO NOT THE BEEEEES
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:32 am
Just don't make it sound like an Internet Tough Guy I DARE YOU FAGGOTS thing.
Sheba Shitgobbling pissdrinker
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:49 am
Mythandariel wrote:
ZoZo wrote:
Mythandariel wrote:
I almost have the urge to read that on camera and post it on You Tube just to see the wank that gets started.
I so want to, its that brilliant. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
DO IT!
May I mention that I am WGW member and Twihards retaliate at their own risk? I would love to watch the wank and flailing fits of fail.
The Air Force's relationship with the Twilight series is almost official now. FML.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:52 pm
I would like to wholeheartedly support the idea of Mythandariel reading out Narwhal's rant on YouTube, preferably with some background to give it context (i.e. part of/a summary of the exchange that led up to it).
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:22 pm
Narwhal wrote:
Meyer has written the ultimate self-indulgent daydream.
Yes, everyone comments on how Bella was "born thirty, and gets more middle aged every year", which is really fucking convenient when you're a middle-aged author writing a teenage Mary Sue.
It's actually kind of funny when the mask slips. Like Bella having a sudden onset of mid-life crisis on her 18th birthday.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:45 pm
Hell, Bella even gets to have a daughter. According to the wikipedia article Meyer has 3 sons, not 4. My bad. But still, it fits.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:33 pm
Narwhal wrote:
Hell, Bella even gets to have a daughter. According to the wikipedia article Meyer has 3 sons, not 4. My bad. But still, it fits.
It's also another way to lash out at the patriarchy since daughters aren't normally viewed in the same light as sons are.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:51 pm
She's in way too deep to even acknowledge that there is a patriarchy. It's just more evidence that she uses these books as a way to build herself a better life.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:29 pm
Tell me what you think.
Edit: I am trying to fix the noise in the background...
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:33 pm
Video ETA: too quiet.
It's stunning to me that people qualified to operate multi-million dollar machinery and cause millions of dollars worth of damages are reading about sparklepires.
How about some dishonorable discharges?
Also, congrats on the comic trying to outCAD CAD in terms of copypasting.
To expand on Narwhal's rant, Bella is an Anti-Sue. She's average and boring, distinguished by... pretty much nothing. She is self-centered and inconsiderate to others.
Yet she is sought after by gorgeous 'man' because of an attribute he found in her.
Bella not being sexualized is a symptom, not a cause. More precisely, it's a symptom of being completely socially awkward.
So, what do we have? An immature vapid social retard. Pretty much describes every twilight fan. What does she get? Attention from pretty much everyone including several gorgeous men for... something they found in her, but she wasn't aware of herself. Pretty much describes the wet fantasy of every twilight fan.
It's obvious how attractive that fantasy looks. Especially since it implies you don't have to do shit to earn everything.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:37 pm
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Also, congrats on the comic trying to outCAD CAD in terms of copypasting.
It looks like CAD if it ripped off Gabe's art style.
Lysander Armbiter of Good Fanfiction
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:44 pm
I've never heard anyone say "Twilight: the Death of Feminism" outloud, but I laughed for five minutes straight.
EDIT: Now, post that same video as a response to NuttyMadaam.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:02 pm
Saleha wrote:
In other news: Virulent anti-Twihardism now plumbing depths unknown even to Twitards.
I love how in the thread, when wraithsoldier tells the girl who did this that what she did is fucked up on so many levels, she practically responds with, "Yeah, whatever. I completely mindfucked my cousin. Everyone thinks she's crazy and she's doubting her own sanity. Pfffft, she deserved it, she did spit in my yogurt and got her Twi-cooties all in it."
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Anywho, everyone voted for that revenge tactic and I promised I'd do it...
It's not my fault. They made me do it. The people needed it!
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I really don't give a shit with the potential consequences of doing it.
Signs of a sociopath.
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I won't forgive anyone for snooping through my shit without asking, stealing my art tools and fucking with my food using their spit for such stupid reasons like a bloody book series.
And she calls wraithdudewhatever butthurt. This takes butthurt to a whole new level!
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Call me a terrible person, I don't really care. *shrug*
We are in a moraly dead society, people in the middle class (and in the red states) are hosting "tea parties" becasue they want representation without taxation, in India, kids are growing up in slums while in america kids don't even care about their school work (too an extent) people are voting against things that wont effect them, but negatively effect people that they irrationally hate (prop 8 anyone?) in japan women are basicly fierd from their jobs once they get married, in america women don't have equal rights with men, and most women aren't aware of this, Russia gave the leader of some other country an award for doing something similar to the holocaust on a smaller scale. Some guy liked me in kindergarden so decided to tease me along with his buddies (he transfered to a diffrent school 1 year later), it turned into full out bullying that lasted nine years of my life and made me the the school's main target of harrasment and turned me into an untrusting bitch with depression. life isn't fair, people aren't morally right. I for one am glad to see that someone's gettin' a little payback on someone who also did something in the moral wrong...
The human race sucks today, yes, but don't worry, after making this realization it's not long until you realize it's been like this since the dawn of time.
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Jesus's principle of turning-the-other-cheek won't always lead to peace; it will sometimes lead to even more violence, especially on the victim's receiving end.
Take Pearl Harbor, for example. As most of us know, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was bombed by the Japanese in December 7, 1941 during World War II. Many people died, and many families lost their children, relatives, and friends.
What do you think would have happened if the United States did nothing in response at all? How do you think the Japanese would take it if we did nothing at all? They would take it as a sign that it is ok to continue attacking us.
We can only change by being shown who we are. She would have grown on to have children with someone as evil and spiteful as her and they would neglect their children and maybe their children would end up like them, and the cycle would continue. by being shown the kind of person she is, she is given the opportunity to reflect and consider her actions and work on her flaws and become a better person. does this make the OP a hypocrite? yes it does. but unfortunately there is no other way to affect the situation. had the parents been informed she would still have been the same.
Respond to harmless childhood pranks with mindfuck, it makes the world a better place. Especially if the perpetrator of said prank reads a book you don't like.
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Although it would've been moar awesome if you had taped your cousin's reaction but I guess it would've looked suspicious if you were holding a camcorder while your cousin's bawling her eyes out.
Kill your fucking self.
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But wait! There's a twist in the second act! Because, you see, for once, the lurkers really did support Nyx in email. Wraithsoldier, though vocally very against Nyx's actions, apparently sent her a PM praising her bravery and her actions. He also wants to send her internet flowers. Sadly, after this twist nothing really happens. At around the same time anonypotomus decides to post a thread in Nyxbel's defense. And here things get weird, because suddenly all the threads peter into off-topic, we-support-our-community posts and it ends with what passes for the TwilightSucks equivalent of sunshine, rainbows, and hugs.
God this community fucking fails.
Narwhal Shitgobbling pissdrinker
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:08 pm
Yeah, I used to post there until one of the mods posted a thread about how he harassed his girlfriend for cheating on him and I had the audacity to say he had no right to do what he did even if she did cheat on him. I was then accused of being a whore myself because only a HOOR would defend ANOTHER HOOR HERP DERP. I kind of gave up after that. (EDIT: Where'd the thread go? Hmm...)
Oh, and it looks like they went through all my posts and edited out the swear words. Or they have a curse filter now. Fuckers. My John Lasseter threads reminds me of the TV-edit of Snakes on a Plane.
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theweirdkind Bastion of Sanity
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:15 pm
I actually got into an argument with that girl on Twilight Sucks about that. IIRC, I pissed off a mod and lost all of my karma . That's when I stopped posting.
ETAA: Found where I came in on that thread. It still makes me rage.
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Mikey Go WOOGA NO NOT THE BEEEEES
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:54 pm
Mythandariel wrote:
Tell me what you think.
Edit: I am trying to fix the noise in the background...
Holy shit that was painful to listen to. Can we get someone who isn't so annoyingly boring to do this? Or maybe someone who doesn't seem to be up on a high horse about belonging to a fanfiction forum filled with socially inept pillheads/fatties/hippy fags/Mikeys?
Or maybe someone who can read it with a WEE bit more feeling and animation than I have when I'm mumbling some sentence in German for class?
Or maybe someone who doesn't refer to this forum as her's? :redangry:
Get Cyby to do it. She'd do it good.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:15 pm
Lysander wrote:
I've never heard anyone say "Twilight: the Death of Feminism" outloud, but I laughed for five minutes straight.
EDIT: Now, post that same video as a response to NuttyMadaam.
Would it make your day if I said 'Done'?
Yattara Sporkbender
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:44 am
I've seen Wuthering Heights done like this. It makes me sad.
Miss Prince Shitgobbling pissdrinker
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:42 am
That cover just... doesn't even fit the book at all. Wtf. Pride & Prejudice does not have a DARK, ACHING, FORBIDDEN LOVE FLOWERS BLOOMING IN THE DARK OF NIGHT tone at all.
Seule My Mescaline
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:50 am
theweirdkind wrote:
Found where I came in on that thread.
FUCKING SHIT THAT THREAD MADE ME SO BLOODY ANGRY
Maximilia My spoon is too big.
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Subject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:02 am
Wow. I don't know what to say about that... except that if someone had done that with my very expensive limited collector's edition of Watchmen, I would have gone ballistic. A prank is fine, but ruining something someone obviously treasures? Damn.