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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:15 am

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Despite all these perfectly well-reasoned arguments (so reasonable, in fact, I have to question aloud whether or not it was actually in the book), Bella enthusiastically discards her friends, family, any hope for a normal life, her loving mother and devoted father, and any chance at ever being integrated into society… for Edward Cullen.

I think it's been made obvious that she has absolutely no desire for a normal life. She's so incredibly boring that she need something to make her and her life different. Plus, don't forget, most tweens would give anything to leave their life behind to become something cool and awesome and just be away from everything that ties them down to school, jobs, their parents, etc. Hell, most adults would too. I think it's part of why Doctor Who is so popular. People leave their normal lives and everyone they love behind on a whim to take a dangerous and potentially fatal journey with him through time and space. Why? They were bored. The Doctor has cool stuff. Normal life is haaaaaaaarrd. They weren't cool on earth. Reasons like that.

And no I'm not comparing the two. Just had to comment on that.

That's kinda weird. I was just thinking, "Well, who doesn't fantasize about seriously awesome adventures in different places with interesting people?" and then it hit me: tween girls don't. I mean, in days gone by, weren't the wimmins supposed to fantasize about marrying their sweethearts and having babies and that was it? It's like Twilight is some sort of half-assed combination that turned out really lame. Yes, there are awesome!sparkly vampires there, but she also just wants to get married and have the demon baby.

Of course, I also know girls who think the imprinting thing is just TEWWIBLY WOMANTIC while I'm over here gagging at the thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:01 am

We may have just been hanging out with different crowds then. Most of my tween/teen compatriots dreamed of growing up and getting the fuck out of dodge. Me included. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:26 am

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Spoony is quite right, of course, but he neglects to consider the primary audience for the series: tween girls who probably don't know much about sex and don't want to feel like they're reading something 'dirty'.
But there are so many older fans who should know better!

(also I read way dirtier stuff as a tween, lol)

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The romance itself is kind of the same: nothing much physical ever happens (until BD, which to my knowledge fades to black), so the reader can project their own fantasies of precisely what they want their sparkly dream man to do to them into the story.
Except that if he were going to do anything other than missionary he would have figures some shit out and it would not have taken so long. I cannot logically conclude he did/ would do anything not straight up vanila, since no alternative even occurs to him.

You have a perfectly good point and I understand what you are saying, but it does not explain why people who should know better are still into it. Like, anyone who has ever had sex before or read a romance novel or any other book ever in the history of creation my god. Is the population at large really so bland and unimaginative?
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:35 pm

Edward is like a castrated Draco in Leather Pants. He is a Dangerous Man without the danger. Girls can take her home to mama, while feeling like they're on the edge.

Bella, meanwhile, is a classic Anti-Sue. The narration tells you she's completely mundane, but the entire school wants in her panties, everyone who hates her is a horrible person, and the one most beautiful and wanted guy wants only her. Not only that, but he is her SOUL MATE(tm), destined for life.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:54 pm

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Edward is like a castrated Draco in Leather Pants. He is a Dangerous Man without the danger. Girls can take her home to mama, while feeling like they're on the edge.

Butting in on the thread, here, but please tell me that typo was intentional. It's oddly appropriate.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:07 am

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I think it's been made obvious that she has
absolutely no desire for a normal life. She's so incredibly boring that
she need something to make her and her life different. Plus, don't
forget, most tweens would give anything to leave their life behind to
become something cool and awesome and just be away from everything that
ties them down to school, jobs, their parents, etc. Hell, most adults
would too. I think it's part of why Doctor Who is so popular. People
leave their normal lives and everyone they love behind on a whim to
take a dangerous and potentially fatal journey with him through time
and space. Why? They were bored. The Doctor has cool stuff. Normal life
is haaaaaaaarrd. They weren't cool on earth. Reasons like that.

Oh yes, Twilight is absolutely escapist fantasy, just like any other scifi or fantasy novel/series. Imo, it's so terribly mundane, though. Bella is typical bored teenager. In reality she'd be that cute girl that hung with the guys. She probably smoked, cursed like a sailor, listened to hard rock or metal, and tended to wear a touch too much black. She had no idea that she was attractive and had frequent bouts of anxiety over her appearance for one reason or another. Unfortunately, Meyer grew up in the sort of lifestyle that made her unfamiliar to that sort of thing. At least on any personal level. The real question becomes was Bella truly an avatar or just a poorly written high school stereotype?

Regardless, Meyer is just one more person who believes the outcast girl wants nothing more than to be part of the in-crowd. That if the popular/much desired boy golden boy crooked his finger, she'd come running in a heartbeat and do anything to keep him. ...Including marry young? Have intercourse without protection? Become a vampire? Sure why not?

Everyone acknowledges, aside from the most hardcore, naive Twihards, that Edward and Bella's romance is dark. Meyer may even understand that, but I don't think she has the ability to process the fact that dark isn't exactly healthy even if it's sometimes romantic. Even if most women secretly long to be courted by some...darkly sensual, somewhat controlling, incredibly powerful man, it's not the sort of concept that lasts. It's what some women think of when they're in the shower with their fingers between their thighs.
It's their guilty pleasure, not a relality they'd want to enact.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:20 pm

I liked the series better when it was called Tuck Everlasting.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:05 pm

^IIRC the protag at the end of that decides against eternal life, correct?

So yeah, Tuck is better.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:50 pm

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if he were going to do anything other than missionary he would have figures some shit out and it would not have taken so long. I cannot logically conclude he did/ would do anything not straight up vanila, since no alternative even occurs to him.

The problem is that fictional characters are hard-pressed to be more open minded than their author.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:31 pm

I haven't read the books but my aunt is a huge Twilight fan so I got the umm... pleasure of watching it when I went round to see her. The first one was watchable, I guess. I'm almost daring to say 'good'. I mean, it doesn't deserve the hype or anything, but there wasn't anything particularly wrong with it, it was an ok movie and the plot at least made some semblence of sense, despite Bella being one of the most mundane Mary Sues I've ever come across. Even the fact that she left her family for all that time in the first one was sort of justified as the evil vampires were tracking her and would possibly kill them. Also the vampire baseball scene had an awesome soundtrack.
But seriously, New Moon was sort of fucked up. I was disappointed actually, and disappointed in myself for expecting better. All those scenes of her literally screaming into her pillow every night because Edward left her and sitting depressed by the window all day and night until she literally flings herself off a cliff to see the delusion of Edward in her warped mind just one more time is really just... what the fuck? Is this how Stephanie Meyer views teen romances? I can't imagine Eclipse being any better, but I have no idea what it's about. I hear Edward preforms a caesarean with his teeth. How nice. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:49 pm

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I can't imagine Eclipse being any better, but I have no idea what it's about. I hear Edward preforms a caesarean with his teeth. How nice. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
That is Breaking Dawn, actually. Talk about torture porn, ugh.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:41 am

Eclipse is the best of the three films, Vanilla-Villa. If you thought Twilight was tolerable, you'll probably enjoy Eclipse.
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:01 pm

I would totally watch this:
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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:15 pm

Family photo time!

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Mary Sue with the Sparkly Stalker, and Jacob with his future child-bride!

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PostSubject: Re: Twilight: The Death of Feminism   Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:23 am

Just saw this on the blog of comic book artist Cal Slayton:
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It's a mite late for Eclipse, but it would still be fun to see this stuff in the two Breaking Dawns.
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