Boy killed for walking while black

Cyberwulf wrote:

HE FOLLOWED MARTIN WITH A GUN. Did you miss the part where all Zimmerman had to do was STAY IN HIS FUCKING CAR and nothing would've happened?

He got out of his car after a police dispatcher told him to stay put.  So not only did his actions result in the death of another person, they were in direct disobedience with what he had been told to do.  Regardless of any other details that deserves a manslaughter charge.

Only in America would we put a black kid on trial for his own murder.

Mr.Doobie wrote:

A quick scan of the internet shows that most reactions to the verdict are white people wringing their hands and crying that now all the barbaric black people are going to riot and rape our precious white women and throw watermelon rinds and chicken bones at us and shit.

And there are people saying race has nothing to do with this.

I have James Harrison on FaceBook. He was saying he should go out, pick a fight, get his ass kicked, and then shoot the guy. I commented, asking where he was going to find someone who could kick the ass of a 260 lbs professional blunt weapon.   I've only seen similar butt crucifixions. Oh, an Jesse Jackson attention whoring. It's good to see being old as shit hasn't stopped him from being useless and annoying.

Also, race only really came into this when the Butthurt Brigade came along trying to force race into it, up to the point of maliciously editing Zimmerman's 911 call to make him seem racist.

TheHedonist wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

HE FOLLOWED MARTIN WITH A GUN. Did you miss the part where all Zimmerman had to do was STAY IN HIS FUCKING CAR and nothing would've happened?

He got out of his car after a police dispatcher told him to stay put.  So not only did his actions result in the death of another person, they were in direct disobedience with what he had been told to do.  Regardless of any other details that deserves a manslaughter charge.

Only in America would we put a black kid on trial for his own murder.

1.) Zimmerman had every legal right to be on that street with Martin. He has every legal right to follow him. He even has a legal right to ask Martin what he was doing (Martin is under no obligation to answer, however). He had NO legal obligation to stay in his car. You dumb shits act like Zimmerman was somehow barred from existing in this location or using words (the only things anyone has any evidence that he did before whatever happened that ended with Zimmerman in Martin's mount getting repeatedly punched in the head).
2.) 911 dispatchers are not police officers. They do not have badges, or any legal authority. They are mostly overweight morons barely capable of operating a phone. Zimmerman is under ZERO obligation to do anything any dispatcher told him to do. And any action you can even begin to prove Zimmerman took was completely legal.

It may very well BE that Zimmerman was unduly antagonistic, even to the point of beginning the physical escalation of the confrontation, but there is ZERO evidence to suggest this (beyond your tenuous speculation). It could also be that Zimmerman came up to Martin and politely asked him what he was doing running through people's yards at 1 AM in the rain, and Martin responded hostilely and THAT started the fight. Of course, there's no more evidence to suggest this than there is to suggest Zimmerman initiated the fight. Which is exactly why acquitting Zimmerman was the right thing to do.

It may be difficult for you subjects to wrap your heads around this, but in America the prosecution has to prove some illegal activity beyond a reasonable doubt before they can deprive an individual citizen of their rights or freedom. The prosecution absolutely failed to do that. Their case was so fucking weak that even bringing it in the first place was a gross embarrassment. It was a political stunt forced by the race profiteers in this country, not anything resembling justice.

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Only in America would we put a black kid on trial for his own murder.

Hahahahaha, you think only America ever does that.

The Justice Department is reviewing the case and a federal prosecution may be in the cards.

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As the Department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. The Department of Justice's Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department's policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial.

One way or another, this shit ain't over.

xerrofoot wrote:

One way or another, this shit ain't over.

Nope.

Penguin wrote:

xerrofoot wrote:

One way or another, this shit ain't over.

Nope.

 Yes, this^. Now, it's only how well people involved in the investigation did their jobs that is in question. There are often investigations into that after a high profile trial. Usually nothing comes of it, even in cases of gross negligence by the investigating officers, such as in the West Memphis Three trials here in Arkansas.

George Zimmerman wants to go to law school. I wonder if this is before or after he gets his gun back, which he's planning on carrying because people hate him even though they shouldn't, according to his lawyer.

Meanwhile, one of the jurors is going to write a book about her experiences.

Also, a white woman attacked an elderly black musician because he dedicated a song to Trayvon Martin. But let's all keep wringing our hands about how those violent blacks are bound to riot, my fellow chalkies.

Cyberwulf wrote:

Also, a white woman attacked an elderly black musician because he dedicated a song to Trayvon Martin. But let's all keep wringing our hands about how those violent blacks are bound to riot, my fellow chalkies.

This was the big thing I saw coming, there was a healthy handful of crazy white people on the varied social networks during the deliberations posting selfies of themselves with all their huge guns talking about how they were prepared for the race riots and gosh it's like they're just lying in wait for the opportunity to shoot a minority or something

And now for Pat Robertson to impart upon us some sagely wisdom:

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Pat Robertson yesterday berated the media for portraying Trayvon Martin as a “little boy” instead of a “fully-formed young African American male.” Robertson defended George Zimmerman after co-host Terry Meeuwsen pointed out that a 911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow Martin. “There’s been some crime in this area and the criminals were wearing these hoods so it’s one of those things,” Robertson said.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Also, race only really came into this when the Butthurt Brigade came along trying to force race into it, up to the point of maliciously editing Zimmerman's 911 call to make him seem racist.

So the words "those motherfuckers always get away with it" were inserted into the 911 recording?

This was stupid and you should feel stupid for having said it.

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

Also, a white woman attacked an elderly black musician because he dedicated a song to Trayvon Martin. But let's all keep wringing our hands about how those violent blacks are bound to riot, my fellow chalkies.

This was the big thing I saw coming, there was a healthy handful of crazy white people on the varied social networks during the deliberations posting selfies of themselves with all their huge guns talking about how they were prepared for the race riots and gosh it's like they're just lying in wait for the opportunity to shoot a minority or something

A good friend of mine, a proud conservative, considers Zimmerman a disgrace to gun owners everywhere and thinks he should be treated by same like Michael Corleone treated Fredo.

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

Also, a white woman attacked an elderly black musician because he dedicated a song to Trayvon Martin. But let's all keep wringing our hands about how those violent blacks are bound to riot, my fellow chalkies.

This was the big thing I saw coming, there was a healthy handful of crazy white people on the varied social networks during the deliberations posting selfies of themselves with all their huge guns talking about how they were prepared for the race riots and gosh it's like they're just lying in wait for the opportunity to shoot a minority or something

man it's almost as if there already existed this adversarial mindset in a large swathe of the white community borne out of a deep fear that the black horde will come from somewhere and take everything

i'm sure it totes had nothing to do with zimmerman deciding that martin looked suspicious and should be followed or anything

In there interest of there being a slight connection to reality in this thread.

Freezer wrote:

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Also, race only really came into this when the Butthurt Brigade came along trying to force race into it, up to the point of maliciously editing Zimmerman's 911 call to make him seem racist.

So the words "those motherfuckers always get away with it" were inserted into the 911 recording?

This was stupid and you should feel stupid for having said it.

Did you miss this? What you said is completely irrelevant. NBC blatantly edited the 911 tape to make Zimmerman seem racist.

Cyberwulf wrote:

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

Also, a white woman attacked an elderly black musician because he dedicated a song to Trayvon Martin. But let's all keep wringing our hands about how those violent blacks are bound to riot, my fellow chalkies.

This was the big thing I saw coming, there was a healthy handful of crazy white people on the varied social networks during the deliberations posting selfies of themselves with all their huge guns talking about how they were prepared for the race riots and gosh it's like they're just lying in wait for the opportunity to shoot a minority or something

man it's almost as if there already existed this adversarial mindset in a large swathe of the white community borne out of a deep fear that the black horde will come from somewhere and take everything

i'm sure it totes had nothing to do with zimmerman deciding that martin looked suspicious and should be followed or anything

Do you know what Confirmation Bias is? You believe all white people are evil racists, so you see a handful of fools on social media and thereby conclude that you're correct in your belief that all white people are evil racists.

Not that there's any past events leading people to believe that black people might have rioted after the Zimmerman verdict. I mean, they didn't tear LA apart after the Rodney King verdict.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

In there interest of there being a slight connection to reality in this thread.
Did you miss this?  What you said is completely irrelevant.  NBC blatantly edited the 911 tape to make Zimmerman seem racist.

They clipped the part where the dispatcher asked Zimmerman the race of the person he was trailing. Nothing. Else. The "These assholes always get away with it" part is 100% Zimmerman.

But hey, don't let little things like "facts" get in the way of your tiresome trolling.

Seriously, this dudebro asshole persona is five years past busted. Step your troll game up, son!

Freezer wrote:

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

In there interest of there being a slight connection to reality in this thread.
Did you miss this?  What you said is completely irrelevant.  NBC blatantly edited the 911 tape to make Zimmerman seem racist.

They clipped the part where the dispatcher asked Zimmerman the race of the person he was trailing.  Nothing.  Else.  The "These assholes always get away with it" part is 100% Zimmerman.

But hey, don't let little things like "facts" get in the way of your tiresome trolling.

Seriously, this dudebro asshole persona is five years past busted.  Step your troll game up, son!

They edited it in order to make it seem like Zimmerman's first concern was Martin's race, when in reality he only brought it up when the dispatcher asked him, and even then he didn't sound 100% sure about what race Martin was, possibly because it was too dark to see clearly. The fact that PART of the tape is unedited is irrelevant. The fact that you're interpreting something actually said that is given proper context as racist is irrelevant. What you're saying is basically that if you cheat for the first quarter of a basketball game, then play the next three quarters fairly, you won the game legitimately.

I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this. The media and Obama administration (spearheaded by that fucking idiot Attorney General) was trying to force a script of "evil white guy shoots young black kid out of racist vigilantism oh God what a horrible racist bunch we are" onto a situation that absolutely didn't fit, and it was kind of embarrassing to watch.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

 The fact that PART of the tape is unedited is irrelevant.

HOW?

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

The fact that you're interpreting something actually said that is given proper context as racist is irrelevant.  What you're saying is basically that if you cheat for the first quarter of a basketball game, then play the next three quarters fairly, you won the game legitimately.

You cheat, get caught, get punished and win anyway; YES, you won legitimately. That's the way it works. For someone who's persona is based around sports, you suck at grasping how sports work.

Good job ignoring the REALLY racist shit he said, BTW.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this.

 

How's this: "I know nothing of this case I didn't hear from talk radio."

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

The media and Obama administration

Stopped reading there.

I'm so fucking tired of hearing people from facebook exclaim that the case wasn't about racism because Zimmerman was hispanic

like goddamn us minority folk live in some kum-ba-ya vacuum or some shit conspiracizing about fucking white people or some bullshit? No, racism is systemic!

Mikey honey I understand you're having problems understanding and I figured at first you were playing devil's advocate because that's what you do but honey

honey

the reason people are pissed is because flip the roles. what if trayvon was white, and zimmerman was black? The way our justice system works, zimmerman would have been found guilty. Because that's what happens. Trayvon would have been shown in the popular media as the white-boy-sweetheart to many middle-class, nonthinking, yuppie individuals. His intelligence would not have been questioned. His witnesses wouldn't have been subjected to not seeming "intelligent enough" because of how they talked, acted, or looked. It would not have hurt his case, and would have been run as a sob story. He would have gotten justice but look now- Zimmerman is free to go out and shoot more kids wearing hoodies carrying Skittles and Arizona Green Tea.

There is a ton of public outrage because he is a kid. How would you like if some child-murderer went free in your neighborhood, assuming you gave a shit about that sort of thing? You wouldn't! And White action groups, parents, wouldn't have it. The jury would have deemed Zimmerman guilty from the start.

But no- a murderer walks free, ready to kill other kids at the behest of the florida government.
crime in and of itself.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

In there interest of there being a slight connection to reality in this thread.

haha goodness what a fine point you make

i'd best ignore all the peaceful protests where absolutely nothing happened

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Do you know what Confirmation Bias is?  You believe all white people are evil racists, so you see a handful of fools on social media and thereby conclude that you're correct in your belief that all white people are evil racists.

Not that there's any past events leading people to believe that black people might have rioted after the Zimmerman verdict.  I mean, they didn't tear LA apart after the Rodney King verdict.

BWAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA

white people posing with guns in anticipation of violence = "a handful of fools on social media"

meanwhile all black people are the same everywhere and through time

Cyberwulf wrote:

white people posing with guns in anticipation of violence = "a handful of fools on social media"

meanwhile all black people are the same everywhere and through time

From all I've seen and heard, 95% of the violence at the rallies/protests have been doing of instigators specifically trying to start shit.

From one account of a rally in Oakland, some skinhead with a sign (was never told what the sign said), showed up and tried to rile the crowd into violence. After about an hour of this, someone finally clocks the guy. At which point he immediately ran to the cops on scene to report the "assault." Reportedly, the cops dutifully took his info, then went right back to their posts.

Lou Dobbs must be crushed at the lack of brown skinned violence.

Freezer wrote:

Mikey wrote:

The fact that PART of the tape is unedited is irrelevant.

HOW?

Because, and this is important, it does not change the fact that the tape was edited to make Zimmerman look racist.  Or more racist than you already think he is, whichever you prefer.  NBC edited the tape to make people think worse of George Zimmerman.

Freezer wrote:

You cheat, get caught, get punished and win anyway; YES, you won legitimately. That's the way it works. For someone who's persona is based around sports, you suck at grasping how sports work.

It's pretty hard to unring a bell.  Basketball probably wasn't the best metaphor as I don't know exactly how someone cheats at that.

Think baseball.  Someone hits a home run with a corked bat in the first inning, then puts that bat away and uses a legal one, but is later found out and suspended, that home run still happened.  Likewise, NBC's edited tape unfairly planted the idea of George Zimmerman being a racist in the mind of every potential juror.  You can't undo that.

Disco Stu wrote:

I'm so fucking tired of hearing people from facebook exclaim that the case wasn't about racism because Zimmerman was hispanic

like goddamn us minority folk live in some kum-ba-ya vacuum or some shit conspiracizing about fucking white people or some bullshit? No, racism is systemic!

Mikey honey I understand you're having problems understanding and I figured at first you were playing devil's advocate because that's what you do but honey

honey

the reason people are pissed is because flip the roles. what if trayvon was white, and zimmerman was black?

Here's what you just did.  You point out that Zimmerman is Hispanic.  Then you claim that you minority folk don't sit around conspiracizing about white people.  Then you insert white people into a situation where there weren't any to begin with.

You see the problem here, yes?

Stuey wrote:

the reason people are pissed is because flip the roles. what if trayvon was white, and zimmerman was black? The way our justice system works, zimmerman would have been found guilty. Because that's what happens.

Except that's not what happens.

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His witnesses wouldn't have been subjected to not seeming "intelligent enough" because of how they talked, acted, or looked.

I don't care what race one is, if one gets up in front of God and everyone and admits that are practically illiterate, people are going to think one is dumb as all fuck.

But don't let things like facts get in the way of your self pity party.  I'm sure impotently making excuses has worked well for you, and all minorities, and indeed everyone in recorded history, and will continue to do so off into the future.

Been working well for white people so far

shh mikey dont click the link i posted earlier where a black man is doing five to fifteen for shooting a white teenager who showed up at his house with a gang of other youths allegedly to assault his son

So the jury was instructed not to consider race or whether Zimmerman started it by, you know, FOLLOWING MARTIN WITH A GUN. But I'm sure this was totally fair and indicative of nothing at all

Penguin wrote:

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Joy... More of the exact same point-missing, context-dropping, word-twisting, fuck-Obama-gimmie-my-guns bullshit I've been hearing for the last week.