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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 10:06 am

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The only thing I can see when someone posts/says stuff like this is a scared creature, suspicious of everything around them, believing that they have to keep permanent vigilance or else the horrible beast will devour them and their entire family.
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 10:18 am

Some douchebag wrote:
Where you in the habit of committing battery against people 35 years ago?
stopped reading there

well that's a lie i read on a little it seems he's mixed race so therefore something
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 11:19 am

whatever the fuck penguin just posted wrote:
But then again, I’m also expecting my children to all carry firearms, because a firearm is the ultimate equalizer.
I mean, yeah, when you both have a firearm.
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 11:38 am

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I happen to look like a scary 6’5” Tony Soprano.

I bet his mum tells him that.
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Mr.Doobie wrote:
I bet his mum tells him that.
the best part is how he looks like tony soprano but is black or something
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 1:53 pm

Cyberwulf wrote:
shh mikey dont click the link i posted earlier where a black man is doing five to fifteen for shooting a white teenager who showed up at his house with a gang of other youths allegedly to assault his son

The facts of that case are drastically different. First, it's in New York, where they don't have a Stand Your Ground law as far as I know (not that Florida's Stand Your Ground law was relevant to the Zimmerman case, but it would have given the man in New York an out). Second, the kid in that case didn't have the man pinned under him, punching him in the face, so it's a bit more dubious on whether or not he had a reasonable fear of death or severe injury, which is what ultimately got Zimmerman acquitted.

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So the jury was instructed not to consider race or whether Zimmerman started it by, you know, FOLLOWING MARTIN WITH A GUN. But I'm sure this was totally fair and indicative of nothing at all

This is because the local authorities were unable to begin to establish that race played a factor in Zimmerman's actions. The FBI and Justice Department have also failed to find any indication that race played a factor in Zimmerman's actions. Interviewing all of Zimmerman's friends, family, people who met him once at a bar, and combing over every detail of his life they could find completely failed to indicate that Zimmerman was in any way motivated by race. As a result, any consideration of race in the court proceedings or deliberations would have been completely baseless speculation (exactly what you're doing here, you fucking fool) and grossly prejudicial. This is why they were instructed not to consider race.

I know nothing about fine wine and the mating rituals of the common lemur, so you don't hear me spouting opinions about those subjects. Could you PLEASE return the favor by not spouting ignorant bullshit about the American justice system when you clearly have no idea how it works or why it's works the way it does?

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Joy... More of the exact same point-missing, context-dropping, word-twisting, fuck-Obama-gimmie-my-guns bullshit I've been hearing for the last week.

What point is there? What context are we missing? What word twisting is there? Some attention whoring tool of a President is needlessly inserting himself into a local law enforcement matter that has ALREADY been blown way out of proportion, and is blowing it further out of proportion, in addition to proving that even IRL, relation to the original topic decreases with every post/speech.

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The only thing I can see when someone posts/says stuff like this is a scared creature, suspicious of everything around them, believing that they have to keep permanent vigilance or else the horrible beast will devour them and their entire family.

Cyberwulf wrote:
Some douchebag wrote:
Where you in the habit of committing battery against people 35 years ago?
stopped reading there

well that's a lie i read on a little it seems he's mixed race so therefore something

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whatever the fuck penguin just posted wrote:
But then again, I’m also expecting my children to all carry firearms, because a firearm is the ultimate equalizer.
I mean, yeah, when you both have a firearm.

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muscleheadshooteverything wrote:
I happen to look like a scary 6’5” Tony Soprano.

I bet his mum tells him that.

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Mr.Doobie wrote:
I bet his mum tells him that.

the best part is how he looks like tony soprano but is black or something

Clearly, all of your hand picked arguments can be easily ignored because apparently any semblance of thought is enough to give liberals an aneurysm.
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 2:12 pm

hey mikey dont even comment on the fact that the jury were not allowed to consider whether zimmerman started it by following martin with a gun

love how you keep seizing on race and not the following martin with a gun part

dont strain yourself now
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Cyberwulf wrote:
hey mikey dont even comment on the fact that the jury were not allowed to consider whether zimmerman started it by following martin with a gun

love how you keep seizing on race and not the following martin with a gun part

dont strain yourself now

That's possibly because that is not legally relevant. Zimmerman had every right to carry that gun. He had every right to be in a public place. The fact he was armed doesn't indicate who threw the first punch (or otherwise instigated the physical confrontation).
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 4:19 pm

I can't say for anyone else, but my problem with this story isn't that Zimmerman broke the law, it's that he killed a child and got away with it. I really don't give a fuck if the Flordia state constitution has "go ahead and kill people if they spook you" sandwiched between other sensible laws. It's an awful thing to do, and I have not seen any evidence contradicting my assumption that Zimmerman's actions were racially motivated.
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 4:29 pm

Lol! Mikey is going to turn into that restaurant regular that sits at the counter and forces everyone around him to listen to him "tell it how it is." Actually, I had this one 65 year old regular that tried to rationalize the holocaust.
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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 5:36 pm

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I can't say for anyone else, but my problem with this story isn't that Zimmerman broke the law, it's that he killed a child and got away with it.

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PostSubject: Re: Boy killed for walking while black   Boy killed for walking while black - Page 38 EmptyMon Jul 22, 2013 6:50 pm

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:
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Joy... More of the exact same point-missing, context-dropping, word-twisting, fuck-Obama-gimmie-my-guns bullshit I've been hearing for the last week.

What point is there?  What context are we missing?

Try the second comment:

Larry Correia wrote:
Where you in the habit of committing battery against people 35 years ago?

One: Not everyone buys Zimmerman's claims that Martin attacked him. (For one thing, Zimmerman's recount of the incident reads like a bad movie script... From the 1950s.)
Two: Who says Trayvon was "in the habit" of assaulting people?
Three: I wasn't aware Trayvon was the defendant, not Zimmerman.
Four: YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU SMARMY MOTHERFUCKER.

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Some attention whoring tool of a President is needlessly inserting himself into a local law enforcement matter that has ALREADY been blown way out of proportion, and is blowing it further out of proportion, in addition to proving that even IRL, relation to the original topic decreases with every post/speech.

And had Obama stayed silent, the same people calling him "Race-Baiter In Chief" would be piling on just as hard for being "ivory tower" and too above it all to touch on something that has upset a large chunk of America (the largest chunk of that chunk happens to have skin the same color as Obama's, BTW). Anything other than parroting Jimmy Carter's "Blacks just need to get over it" bullshit would've brought the hordes out. Of course, Obama could announce a 20% raise for Congress and the GOP would bitch because it wasn't 25%. He can't win with you lot and I honestly wonder why he even tries.

It's like Obama being black is A-OK, until he actually brings up the fact that he's black.
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Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:
That's possibly because that is not legally relevant.  Zimmerman had every right to carry that gun.  He had every right to be in a public place.  The fact he was armed doesn't indicate who threw the first punch (or otherwise instigated the physical confrontation).
Or we're mocking his argument because it's not worth taking apart.

Seriously it gets really hard to see his point under all the macho posturing. That 'article' is fucking awash with it and his point isn't strong or salient enough to be worth the digging.
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Freezer wrote:
Four:  YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU SMARMY MOTHERFUCKER.



Freezer wrote:
And had Obama stayed silent, the same people calling him "Race-Baiter In Chief" would be piling on just as hard for being "ivory tower" and too above it all to touch on something that has upset a large chunk of America (the largest chunk of that chunk happens to have skin the same color as Obama's, BTW).

...As deliberately contrarian as the GOP is, no. If that were true, they'd have been doing it on a daily basis with various other local crime problems for years now. The only time the GOP has gone after him for this kind of thing is when, well, he starts it.

Gee, it's almost like the President should kinda stick to presidential problems.
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Penguin wrote:
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And had Obama stayed silent, the same people calling him "Race-Baiter In Chief" would be piling on just as hard for being "ivory tower" and too above it all to touch on something that has upset a large chunk of America (the largest chunk of that chunk happens to have skin the same color as Obama's, BTW).

...As deliberately contrarian as the GOP is, no. If that were true, they'd have been doing it on a daily basis with various other local crime problems for years now. The only time the GOP has gone after him for this kind of thing is when, well, he starts it.

Gee, it's almost like the President should kinda stick to presidential problems.

Gee, it's almost like people go apeshit when the first minority POTUS actually addresses racial inequality.
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Gee, it's almost like people go apeshit when the first minority POTUS actually addresses racial inequality.

It'd be nice if he'd start doing that. He's still got 2 and a half-ish years.
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And had Obama stayed silent, the same people calling him "Race-Baiter In Chief" would be piling on just as hard for being "ivory tower" and too above it all to touch on something that has upset a large chunk of America (the largest chunk of that chunk happens to have skin the same color as Obama's, BTW).

...As deliberately contrarian as the GOP is, no. If that were true, they'd have been doing it on a daily basis with various other local crime problems for years now. The only time the GOP has gone after him for this kind of thing is when, well, he starts it.

Gee, it's almost like the President should kinda stick to presidential problems.

Gee, it's almost like people go apeshit when the first minority POTUS actually addresses racial inequality.

He's not addressing racial inequality, he's rambling on, loving the sound of his own voice. If he wanted to address racial inequality, he'd do something positive about the laugbably high unemployment rate among blacks.

Never mind that he's talking about a instance where, as several different investigations have concluded, race was not a factor.
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Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:
Never mind that he's talking about a instance where, as several different investigations have concluded, race was not a factor.


  1. They found there was no evidence of racial bias. That's not the same thing.
  2. Do you think if Zimmerman were black and Martin were white, this case shakes out remotely like it did?


Fuck your "Race had nothing to do with this."
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Race became a definate factor the second this became a public story and absolutely everyone started talking about race. Whatever evidence they came up with, I seriously doubt that the color of the kid's skin never came into Zimmerman's decision making skills, but that's the failure of the court/prosecution/whoever to prove that. Once the population got ahold of the story, a tropical shitstorm descended and now everyone has something to say.

More interesting (to me), is that they all had something to say about what everyone else had to say. There's a huge amount of variance to what one person believes amounts to racial equality from another, and what seems (to me) the best way to dilute the pool of hate is to either throw out a relatable story or to try to relate to a story that's already out there, which is what Obama did for the most part. It's not something you can see instant results from. He wasn't going to solve racism with an impromptu speech like a week after the verdict, but he is reminding everyone that he is black, and any racial prejudice vs. black people counts on him too.

I would also like to say that I only see conservatives talking about how Obama could have done more when it's race related. Otherwise they're crying about how he SHOULDN'T be doing something, as opposed to crying about how he's not trying hard enough. I don't have the education or experience to talk about what that means, but it's certainly unsettling.
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Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:
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hey mikey dont even comment on the fact that the jury were not allowed to consider whether zimmerman started it by following martin with a gun

love how you keep seizing on race and not the following martin with a gun part

dont strain yourself now

That's possibly because that is not legally relevant.  Zimmerman had every right to carry that gun.  He had every right to be in a public place.
Kind of like Martin had every right to be walking home in a public place! Without being FOLLOWED by someone who thought he was "acting suspiciously" based on absolutely nothing.

Gee, I wonder if perhaps Zimmerman's version of events is carefully constructed to make him look like an innocent, concerned bystander who merely got out of his car to find a street address (because his windows were opaque, and he couldn't have possibly done that from inside his car) who was suddenly attacked out of nowhere by this thug up to no good, who proceeded to bash him in the face for no reason, knock him down, and go for his gun while growling UR GONNA DIE TONITE. Can you think of anything George Zimmerman could've done to prevent that from happening?
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You know, if Trayvon Martin had been carrying a gun, he might not have gotten killed.
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Why Isn't NRA Arguing Trayvon Martin Tragedy Could Have Been Averted if Only He Had a Gun?

Because not even the NRA is dumb enough to say you should start fistfights with a gun because you think you might be followed by a gay rapist.
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You know, if Trayvon Martin had been carrying a gun, he might not have gotten killed.
If Trayvon Martin had had a gun that night, and had shot George Zimmerman, he'd be in prison right now. The jury wouldn't have been instructed to disregard everything about the incident apart from whether or not, in the final seconds, Martin feared for his life and had no choice but to shoot. A young black man in a hoodie with a gun? Clearly a gang member! Or at the very least up to no good! Zimmerman was merely doing his civic duty, following this thug and reporting him to the police, AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT HIM. LOOK! LOOOOOOOK! MORE GUNS WE NEED, BAGS OF GUNS! It wouldn't have mattered a fuck what story Martin told or how credible his witnesses were. Nobody would've bought that he was just walking home from the store when this guy chased him and pulled a gun on him and threatened him. HE WAS PROBABLY OUT ROBBING AND I BET HE SHOPLIFTED THAT STUFF, WHERE WAS HIS RECEIPT, HUH, HUH?
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You know, if Trayvon Martin had been carrying a gun, he might not have gotten killed.
If Trayvon Martin had had a gun that night, and had shot George Zimmerman, he'd be in prison right now.

Probably... because minors can't possess handguns or get a concealed carry permit. SYG might apply but he'd still be screwed on possession.
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Lady Anne wrote:
You know, if Trayvon Martin had been carrying a gun, he might not have gotten killed.
If Trayvon Martin had had a gun that night, and had shot George Zimmerman, he'd be in prison right now.

Probably... because minors can't possess handguns or get a concealed carry permit. SYG might apply but he'd still be screwed on possession.

Because she was talking about his age. Yes.
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