Virginia Republicans Thank Soviet Communists Instead of US Vets

Owlish wrote:

Ok, I don't see where zeke is writing off genocide as "an accident" or "a mistake," in this thread or in any other.

Well, in another thread:

zeke wrote:

Lady Anne wrote:

Millions were murdered or starved under Mao's regime.

Well, no, actually they weren't. There was repression that was misdirected at times, and at times serious food production errors

And in this one:

zeke wrote:

Although Stalin did launch repression that was mis-directed and killed innocent people.

The obvious implication is that Communist dictators only commit genocide by accident, or, since a repression can be "misdirected," some genocide is okay and the only regrettable part is that they killed the wrong people. It's either trying to put a positive spin on genocide, or that it's only bad when it happens to loyal Communists.

Penguin, I think there may be some confusion (maybe it's only on my part) here due to terminology. What is your definition of the term genocide?

My definition is that it is an organized program to exterminate a race of people.

So I don't think it would ever be an accident or mistake, and always a crime.

Just for record, I don't think misdirected repression or other bad things are ok either.

Just trying to clarify things, as some parts of this thread are getting confusing, to me anyway.

zeke wrote:

Penguin, I think there may be some confusion (maybe it's only on my part) here due to terminology. What is your definition of the term genocide?

My definition is that it is an organized program to exterminate a race of people.

Gen-o-cide; Noun; the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

zeke wrote:

By the way, did you know after the war ended we killed 500,000 to a million Germans? We purged about 10million of them whose ancestors had settled in other parts of Europe back to Germany and in the process many died.

Nope, no genocide here

zeke wrote:

Penguin, I think there may be some confusion (maybe it's only on my part) here due to terminology. What is your definition of the term genocide?

geno·cide
noun \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\
Definition of GENOCIDE
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

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So I don't think it would ever be an accident or mistake, and always a crime.

Again: Fucking repression, how does it work?

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Where political repression is sanctioned and organised by the state, it may constitute state terrorism, genocide, politicide or crimes against humanity. Systemic and violent political repression is a typical feature of dictatorships, totalitarian states and similar regimes. In such regimes, acts of political repression may be carried out by secret police forces, army, paramilitary groups or death squads. Relevant activities have also been found within democratic contexts as well.

So, again, a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "OOPS WE GENOCIDED THE WRONG FOLKS." You fucktard.

zeke wrote:

Just for record, I don't think misdirected repression or other bad things are ok either.

So you're okay with repression.

Penguin wrote:

zeke wrote:

Penguin, I think there may be some confusion (maybe it's only on my part) here due to terminology. What is your definition of the term genocide?

geno·cide
noun \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\
Definition of GENOCIDE
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

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So I don't think it would ever be an accident or mistake, and always a crime.

Again: Fucking repression, how does it work?

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Where political repression is sanctioned and organised by the state, it may constitute state terrorism, genocide, politicide or crimes against humanity. Systemic and violent political repression is a typical feature of dictatorships, totalitarian states and similar regimes. In such regimes, acts of political repression may be carried out by secret police forces, army, paramilitary groups or death squads. Relevant activities have also been found within democratic contexts as well.

So, again, a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "OOPS WE GENOCIDED THE WRONG FOLKS." You fucktard.

Read the definitions above more carefully. And you will see that a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "Oops we KILLED the wrong folks." Which is also a really bad thing, you tardfuck.

zeke wrote:

Read the definitions above more carefully. And you will see that a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "Oops we KILLED the wrong folks." Which is also a really bad thing, you tardfuck.

... Weren't you saying there was nothing wrong with what Stalin did, which you also called 'misdirected repression'? If it's so bad then why are you still praising Stalin?

4shadowedice4 wrote:

zeke wrote:

Read the definitions above more carefully. And you will see that a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "Oops we KILLED the wrong folks." Which is also a really bad thing, you tardfuck.

... Weren't you saying there was nothing wrong with what Stalin did, which you also called 'misdirected repression'? If it's so bad then why are you still praising Stalin?

no, i wasn't saying there was nothing wrong with misdirected repression. that was a bad thing, and killed a lot of people (but not 20 million, that's absurd). Stalin also accomplished some great and significant things (which could have been accomplished without killing a lot of the people he did).

zeke wrote:

that was a bad thing, and killed a lot of people (but not 20 million, that's absurd).

I should point out that this line of reasoning is a favourite of Holocaust deniers. They like to claim there is absolutely no way somebody could kill that many people so quickly. Guess what. They're wrong too.

Owlish wrote:

It doesn't matter who killed more people, or who committed more genocide, or whatever. What matters is that both were brutal, repressive regimes; both Hitler and Stalin were miserable fucking cumstains on the dirty drawers of humanity, and they both wiped their asses with philosophical manifestos. This fucking pissing contest over who's the bigger cumstain is simply that--a fucking pissing contest with no real purpose or value. Other than, you know, waving your pedant flags and "mah research! let me show you itz!"

If you know... if you had read what I typed, instead of jumping to conclusions like an idiot would, you noticed I never said one was 'better' than the other, or anything about BODYCOUNTS for that matter. I simply said that both of them had committed atrocities/killed people. Thus both regimes WERE bad. Or you could completely assume I was saying that... y'know, Stalin was worse than Hitler because he killed millions of his own people, and that I base this on absurd/non-existent facts that I received from an unnameable source that mysteriously I can't recall. Even though I never said that until just now. In this post. Right now.

So, in all honestly, I don't really understand why you're having a pissy attitude towards me when I'm essentially agreeing with you.

zeke wrote:

Penguin wrote:

zeke wrote:

Penguin, I think there may be some confusion (maybe it's only on my part) here due to terminology. What is your definition of the term genocide?

geno·cide
noun \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\
Definition of GENOCIDE
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

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So I don't think it would ever be an accident or mistake, and always a crime.

Again: Fucking repression, how does it work?

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Where political repression is sanctioned and organised by the state, it may constitute state terrorism, genocide, politicide or crimes against humanity. Systemic and violent political repression is a typical feature of dictatorships, totalitarian states and similar regimes. In such regimes, acts of political repression may be carried out by secret police forces, army, paramilitary groups or death squads. Relevant activities have also been found within democratic contexts as well.

So, again, a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "OOPS WE GENOCIDED THE WRONG FOLKS." You fucktard.

Read the definitions above more carefully. And you will see that a "misdirected repression that kills innocent people" is "Oops we KILLED the wrong folks." Which is also a really bad thing, you tardfuck.

Yes, that somehow makes them less dead. So, to reiterate:

1.) You condone genocide against certain people.
2.) You think the only bad thing about genocide is when it kills the wrong people, doing some true semantic gymnastics to declare the collateral damage not genocide as if that somehow makes it better.

Don't ever vote, kid.

Question:

The millions of Indians that Winston Churchill killed during World War II: was that genocide?

Now, which one of these equations is correct:

Stalin=Hitler
Churchill=Hitler
Hitler=Churchill=Stalin
Stalin=Churchill
none of the above

zeke wrote:

Now, which one of these equations is correct:

Stalin=Hitler
Churchill=Hitler
Hitler=Churchill=Stalin
Stalin=Churchill
none of the above

Uh, not sure what you're trying to get at, reiterate in a more LEGIBLE and understandable way.

zeke wrote:

Now, which one of these equations is correct:

Stalin=Hitler
Churchill=Hitler
Hitler=Churchill=Stalin
Stalin=Churchill
none of the above

We're not saying that one leader is better than the other, we're merely pointing out that you have some incredibly biased double standards.

4shadowedice4 wrote:

zeke wrote:

Now, which one of these equations is correct:

Stalin=Hitler
Churchill=Hitler
Hitler=Churchill=Stalin
Stalin=Churchill
none of the above

We're not saying that one leader is better than the other, we're merely pointing out that you have some incredibly biased double standards.

So sounds like your answer is Hitler=Churchill=Stalin.

Penguin?

I don't mean these as trick questions, I just feel there is something wrong in some of the logic presented above, and in trying to put my finger on it and explain it, these are questions that came to me.

zeke wrote:

Question:

The millions of Indians that Winston Churchill killed during World War II: was that genocide?

Winston Churchill didn't kill any Indians. He was in Britain during WW2.

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yeah i heard his mom wouldn't let him out of the house.

It was in Bengal, 1943.

howithurts is the only one i can't get mad at, it's because of that dang picture!

zeke wrote:

Penguin?

What?

Psst hey did you know that Britain was on rations for it's own people until about the mid 50's?

Also, why are we arguing with a troll people?

zeke wrote:

howithurts is the only one i can't get mad at, it's because of that dang picture!

I'm adorable.

bleachedblackcat wrote:

Psst hey did you know that Britain was on rations for it's own people until about the mid 50's?

Also, why are we arguing with a troll people?

I have no real idea, it's obviously a troll, so why bother speaking to it?