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Maximilia wrote:

Yeah, the guys aren't the only ones "tuning the argument out" this time. What I'm getting from this thread and the HUGE BLOCKS OF TEXT as well as the QUOTE PYRAMIDS OF DOOM! (well, ok, they're not really huge quote pyramids, and certainly not of doom) is this: "News article is horrible blah blah blah feminism blah blah blah you're wrong blah blah blah no I'm not blah blah blah anti-gay-woman-feminist something blah blah blah patriarchy blah blah blah".

Isn't that pretty much every discussion here, though?

Bamshalam wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

Yeah, the guys aren't the only ones "tuning the argument out" this time. What I'm getting from this thread and the HUGE BLOCKS OF TEXT as well as the QUOTE PYRAMIDS OF DOOM! (well, ok, they're not really huge quote pyramids, and certainly not of doom) is this: "News article is horrible blah blah blah feminism blah blah blah you're wrong blah blah blah no I'm not blah blah blah anti-gay-woman-feminist something blah blah blah patriarchy blah blah blah".

Isn't that pretty much every discussion here, though?

Yeah, that's probably why I'm tuning this one out. It's... different verse, same as the first.

ZoZo wrote:

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The default icon for the LJ comm anti_feminism.

That's a blast from the past.

Cyberwulf wrote:

ZoZo wrote:

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The default icon for the LJ comm anti_feminism.

That's a blast from the past.

Oof. Shouldn't have checked that out. I woke up in a good mood this morning.

About eight of us feminists used to sit on there and play with the misogybags who'd turn up spouting antiwoman bullshit.

The high point of our shenanigans was seeing off this creepy asshole by posting menstrual art.

Cyberwulf wrote:

About eight of us feminists used to sit on there and play with the misogybags who'd turn up spouting antiwoman bullshit.

The high point of our shenanigans was seeing off this creepy asshole by posting menstrual art.

Apropos nothing: "menstrual art?"

gaijinguy wrote:

Apropos nothing: "menstrual art?"

The medium? Menstrual blood. Unless I severely misunderstand.

You know, it's not impossible for a man to be a feminist.

It's just... unusual.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

You know, it's not impossible for a man to be a feminist.

It's just... unusual.

I've met some men who are genuinely trying to be feminists, and I do appreciate every one of them. I've met fewer who actually succeed.

Menstrual art

See, the subject of the drawing (painting?) is a statement that menses are something that belong to the whole of humanity and are not something to be pushed into the women's corner. Or maybe the artist was just a big Megaman fan, god knows that if I'd have gotten hold of some menstrual blood when I was ten I would have skipped the moony mumbo-jumbo stuff and got straight to drawing a picture of Sonic. Or maybe a tree in winter, since it's kind of brown and all.

Whatever, it's not a colour that I really like. Maybe Vulcan menstrual art would be more appealing? And if you combined the two, you could paint a tree with its leaves on! It's so nice when interspecies cooperation creates such wonderful things.

Lexin wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

You know, it's not impossible for a man to be a feminist.

It's just... unusual.

I've met some men who are genuinely trying to be feminists, and I do appreciate every one of them. I've met fewer who actually succeed.

Would you say it's significantly easier for women to be feminist?

Jay/Cris wrote:

Lexin wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

You know, it's not impossible for a man to be a feminist.

It's just... unusual.

I've met some men who are genuinely trying to be feminists, and I do appreciate every one of them. I've met fewer who actually succeed.

Would you say it's significantly easier for women to be feminist?

Not significantly, no. Women just have more invested in it, as they're not the privileged sex.

It's not really a question of "easier". It's a bit like a straight cis person being an LGBTQI ally - they bring their own privilege with them, they may not understand why certain things are such a big deal because they haven't experienced them directly, and they can come out with hurtful shit unintentionally and then wonder why (and take offence because) people are angry with them.

Don't get me wrong, there's women that aren't heavily involved with/invested in feminism, too. But they're more likely to have experienced street harrassment, sexual harrassment, admonishments about how to "stay safe" lest something terrible happen etc, than men. So it's more likely to strike a chord with them.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

You know, it's not impossible for a man to be a feminist.

It's just... unusual.

My brother-in-law is a feminist. That's how my sister met him.

I can't stand menstrual art. Not that I'm ashamed of my menses or whatever, just... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Jesus. wrote:

I can't stand menstrual art. Not that I'm ashamed of my menses or whatever, just... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This.

I guess I'm just not avante-garde (sp?) to appreciate painting with body fluids. Especially in preference to, er, paint.

gaijinguy wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

I can't stand menstrual art. Not that I'm ashamed of my menses or whatever, just... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This.

I guess I'm just not avante-garde (sp?) to appreciate painting with body fluids. Especially in preference to, er, paint.

It's a sign of Slaaneshi corruption and should be dealt with accordingly.

Are you guys suggesting that people should paint with their own body fluids, specifically the ones you have when you're bleeding because it's your period?

Or did I get the wrong end of the stick, and it's just painting when you're on your menstrua cycle, which is stupid because we're ALWAYS on them, not just when there's the blood.

gaijinguy wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

I can't stand menstrual art. Not that I'm ashamed of my menses or whatever, just... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This.

I guess I'm just not avante-garde (sp?) to appreciate painting with body fluids. Especially in preference to, er, paint.

I'm not either. That's just gross. It's blood you freaks, that's not sanitary. I don't care if they say it's our "essence" and "womanhood", you don't see men making art out of their "seed".

Lapin wrote:

gaijinguy wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

I can't stand menstrual art. Not that I'm ashamed of my menses or whatever, just... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

This.

I guess I'm just not avante-garde (sp?) to appreciate painting with body fluids. Especially in preference to, er, paint.

I'm not either. That's just gross. It's blood you freaks, that's not sanitary. I don't care if they say it's our "essence" and "womanhood", you don't see men making art out of their "seed".

They prolly would, but it doesn't really come up, even on black canvas or whatnot. So no real point. You'd need a hell of a lot of spooge to make any real image.

Lapin wrote:

I'm not either. That's just gross. It's blood you freaks, that's not sanitary. I don't care if they say it's our "essence" and "womanhood", you don't see men making art out of their "seed".

Well, there IS this French dude painting with poop, but it's not really analogous...
As for painting with menstrual fluid, I lost my taste for it when girls did menstrual graffiti with it in the toilets in middle school, thank you very much. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Oh shit, oh shit, you were the former and it wasn't just me being my usual moronic self!

I GOT IT RIGHT!

*starts to cry* What next? Cyberwulf actually agreeing with me? God save us, the universe is in flux!

Cyberwulf wrote:

It's not really a question of "easier". It's a bit like a straight cis person being an LGBTQI ally - they bring their own privilege with them, they may not understand why certain things are such a big deal because they haven't experienced them directly, and they can come out with hurtful shit unintentionally and then wonder why (and take offence because) people are angry with them.

Don't get me wrong, there's women that aren't heavily involved with/invested in feminism, too. But they're more likely to have experienced street harrassment, sexual harrassment, admonishments about how to "stay safe" lest something terrible happen etc, than men. So it's more likely to strike a chord with them.

Don't get me wrong, this is completely non-sarcastic, but what about women who are getting involved in feminist/social politics issues who have experienced none of the above (I think I can say I haven't experienced any of the above)? Do they start out being, essentially, like a person of the privileged class (say, a man) in that they haven't experienced first-hand what other women have?

Lapin wrote:

I'm not either. That's just gross. It's blood you freaks, that's not sanitary. I don't care if they say it's our "essence" and "womanhood", you don't see men making art out of their "seed".

Uh, no.

Also I honestly don't get what's so ZOMG!EWWWWWW!!11!1!!! about menstrual blood art. It's blood, it's blood that came from a crotch, so what? I wouldn't want to paint with anyone else's blood but I'm fine with the idea of perhaps using my own as an art tool. What sort of stuff do you think humans USED for early artwork, after all -- stuff they could get easily. Which included, probably, blood, at least in some cases.

I mean, am I the only one here who doesn't particularly give a shit about that? I actually find it kind of fascinating.

Because it's blood, home to a billion diseases in some stranger's body. I took art history, I know they used blood in ancient art, but we've moved on, just like we moved on from using our enemy's skulls as art for our entryways and posing with dead relatives in photos.

It's unhygenic and weird and gross, as gross as using urine. Bodily fluids are not art supplies.