Pope's Pastor Compares Sex Scandal to Persection of Jews

Verandering wrote:

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‘There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you’, he said.

Those filthy, naughty, harlot adolescents! How dare they try and lure the people in a position of power over them into temptation! Obviously, we all know how hard it is to keep it in your pants in these situations.

Those 13 year olds shouldn't have been walking around with such short skirts.

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Attacks on the Catholic Church and Pope Benedict over a sexual abuse scandal are comparable to "collective violence" against Jews, the pontiff's personal preacher told a Vatican Good Friday service.

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Bernando Álvarez said that there are 13 year olds who are wanting to be abused, and 'if you are careless they will provoke you'

If Communion is putting the body of Christ in your mouth, these two seem to have gotten the feet.

Think about it this way - when you die, you'll know for sure whether you led a good enough life.

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven. Why's Hell limitlessly huge but Heaven so cramped?

what bible are you reading

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Think about it this way - when you die, you'll know for sure whether you led a good enough life.

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven. Why's Hell limitlessly huge but Heaven so cramped?

Heaven sucks, thats why.

Jesus. wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Think about it this way - when you die, you'll know for sure whether you led a good enough life.

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven. Why's Hell limitlessly huge but Heaven so cramped?

Heaven sucks, thats why.

Says Jesus.

Jesus. wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Think about it this way - when you die, you'll know for sure whether you led a good enough life.

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven. Why's Hell limitlessly huge but Heaven so cramped?

Heaven sucks, thats why.

Can you believe they have not one single sushi restaurant?

theweirdkind wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Think about it this way - when you die, you'll know for sure whether you led a good enough life.

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven. Why's Hell limitlessly huge but Heaven so cramped?

Heaven sucks, thats why.

Says Jesus.

Theres no real quiet time up there, especially when youre the one being worshipped 24/7/eternity. I need my Holy Space.

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Can you believe they have not one single sushi restaurant?

140,000 people up there and only two sushi fans. Sad, but true.

The Unoriginal wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

Trioculus wrote:

But if
you look at the perfect mix of properties of hydrogen, oxygen,
carbon--three simple elements that have such innumberable combinations
all by themselves, and most of the chemicals that make up living things
on our planet come from those three elements

So you think water is made of carbon? Think there's carbon and oxygen in ammonia? Brimstone is another word for sulfur, which is an element.

I think you should re-take Introduction to Organic Chemistry.

Oh for fuck's sake. Now I have to give a lesson on the carbonate buffer.
Everything one says can and will be used against him, innit? The list was in reply to your question about what I considered a non-living thing. I could also argue that if I had trouble remembering the composition of water, ammonia, and elemental sulphur, that's INorganic chemistry I'd have to retake - two can play at this game.

It was obvious to anyone with even a basic grasp of biology and organic chemistry that Triculus was referring to the fact that living things are composed largely of soot and two gases (although nitrogen should be included too), and the properties of carbon that allow this to be so are fucking amazing. You tried to be a wiseass and you got caught out. Deal with it.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

According to the Bible there's only room for 140,000 people in Heaven.

Rev. 7:4 wrote:

4 Then I heard the number of those marked with the seal: a hundred and forty-four thousand from all the tribes of the people of Israel:

Rev. 7:9-10 wrote:

9 After this I saw a great crowd, impossible to count, from every nation, standing before the throne and the Lamb, clothed in white, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and they cried out with a loud voice, "Who saves but our God who sits on the throne and the Lamb?"

OOP DE DOOP DE DIDDLY-DEE

You speak as though Revelations were ever meant to be taken literally. It is, depending on who you ask, either a massive blend of mixed metaphors or the fever dreams of a very insane man.

TheHermit wrote:

You speak as though Revelations were ever meant to be taken literally.

If that's directed at me, I didn't say anything about whether Revelations should be taken literally, symbolically or not at all. Harley said "According to the Bible"; look in the Bible and oops she doesn't know what she's talking about. Again.

Cyberwulf wrote:

It was obvious to anyone with even a basic grasp of biology and organic chemistry that Triculus was referring to the fact that living things are composed largely of soot and two gases (although nitrogen should be included too), and the properties of carbon that allow this to be so are fucking amazing. You tried to be a wiseass and you got caught out. Deal with it.

And here I was hoping you would let it go.

I TRIED TO BE A WISEASS AND I GOT CAUGHT. Signed, The Unoriginal ______________________________________

Here, you can print and cut it out. That and an euro will get you a macchiato in Xia Peipei's coffee shop.

TheHermit wrote:

You speak as though Revelations were ever meant to be taken literally. It is, depending on who you ask, either a massive blend of mixed metaphors or the fever dreams of a very insane man.

Indeed, the perfect God has created an imperfect text, that is open to interpretation and chock full of figurative language. Wait, wrong thread for destroying Christianity.

You'd think that to get the job he has, he'd have had to study enough history to know why it's in spectacularly bad taste for someone representing the Catholic Church to draw that comparison at all, let alone for something like this.

Psy-4 wrote:

Back on topic, the kids are totally asking for it.

Hey, Bishop Alvarez, way to put your foot in your mouth, buddy. This idiot deserves to be defrocked just for thinking something like that. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Malganis wrote:

What. The Hell.

Rabid Badger wrote:

The Rev. Raniero Cantalamessa quoted from what he said was a letter from an unnamed Jewish friend, who said the "violent" attacks on the Catholic Church reminded him of the persecution of the Jews.

That "unnamed Jewish friend" sounds a LOT like the "ex-High Satanist/ritual sorcerer who remains anonymous for fear of his life" stories that circulate so often in Protestantism. And it's about as believable, too. Except just a little less.

Actually, I think he's more like Sarah Palin's gay friend. As in, a fictional character created for the sole purpose of making the creator seem less like an asshole.

szaleniec wrote:

You'd think that to get the job he has, he'd have had to study enough history to know why it's in spectacularly bad taste for someone representing the Catholic Church to draw that comparison at all, let alone for something like this.

Father Cantalamessa (ironically, his surname means "celebrates Mass") seems to be short of a hoof in his horse sense.

There's a process going on in Bari with 11 people accused of several imputations from fraud to mistreatment of minors. The trial regards Vito Carlo Moccia, founder of the "Sacred Path" sect and inventor of the "Arkeon" method. The testimonies are a list of psychological abuse: among these - tricking the adepts into believing they had been molested as children (arguably, not by a priest).
Father Cantalamessa in several occasions voiced his support of the sect, starting with a first interview with Moccia during the TV broadcast that Cantalamessa has on the state TV in 2004. A month and a half later, Moccia and some of his adepts attend a Mass celebrated by Cantalamessa, after which the preacher and the guru retreat for a private discussion. Possibly Cantalamessa does not know he's being filmed, and that their discussion will end up in a promotional "Sacred Path" CD.

A year and a half later, the first rumors of abuses are heard. At least two people write to Cantalamessa to ask him for advice about people who entered the sect and have starting behaving oddly, refusing to attend Mass and visit their relatives, but receive replies that praise Arkeon. Furthermore, Moccia receives copies of the letter: "Dear Vito, I am sending you this letter together with my reply to it, because it's right that you are informed. Bless you, Ft. Raniero."

In June, with the judiciary enquiry underway, Moccia appears in TV to face the people who accuse him. A boy says he's been forced to beg on the sidewalk, carrying a board on his neck saying "I'm a schizophrenic". His mother said she wrote to Cantalamessa as early as 2004, but never received a reply. This does not sway our preacher, who defines the broadcast "a lynching".

Two months later, Cantalamessa's program hosts a man, with wife and child, who says he's been "healed" from homosexuality thanks to the Arkeon method. The Authority for the Privacy strongly rebukes the channel and program because the child is easily recognisable and has had to hear his father speaking of how he was sexually abused as a boy.

In 2007, Moccia is ufficially under trial and Cantalamessa tries to backpedal: "Personally I have never known of any abuse, otherwise I would have been the first to denounce and condemn."
No.
Cantalamessa was warned at least twice. He minimized the facts, defended Moccia and kept him informed.

In short: at the very best, he's a candid soul and poor judge of character who wouldn't know a pedophile if he raped him up the ass.

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‘There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you’, he said.

lolwut?

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Regarding homosexuals, the Bishop said that homosexuality was something prejudicial to the people and to society, and that we would pay the consequences in the long term.
The Bishop claimed that both abuse of children and homosexuality would lead to future problems in society ‘as has occurred in other civilisations’.

Y'know, I've heard this argument all the time, but these people never give any examples of entire civilizations that were destroyed by homosexuality. What were all these civilizations these people are talking about?

Mr.Doobie wrote:

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Regarding homosexuals, the Bishop said that homosexuality was something prejudicial to the people and to society, and that we would pay the consequences in the long term.
The Bishop claimed that both abuse of children and homosexuality would lead to future problems in society ‘as has occurred in other civilisations’.

Y'know, I've heard this argument all the time, but these people never give any examples of entire civilizations that were destroyed by homosexuality. What were all these civilizations these people are talking about?

Sodom And Gomorrah? Greece? Buttsexville? All decent places, really. Too bad the evil homosexuals ended them.

Didn't read the thread.

I guess "witch hunt" would have been a bit too ironic.

Jesus. wrote:

Mr.Doobie wrote:

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Regarding homosexuals, the Bishop said that homosexuality was something prejudicial to the people and to society, and that we would pay the consequences in the long term.
The Bishop claimed that both abuse of children and homosexuality would lead to future problems in society ‘as has occurred in other civilisations’.

Y'know, I've heard this argument all the time, but these people never give any examples of entire civilizations that were destroyed by homosexuality. What were all these civilizations these people are talking about?

Sodom And Gomorrah? Greece? Buttsexville? All decent places, really. Too bad the evil homosexuals ended them.

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Buttsexville was great. I miss that town.

I think I realized that I am technically opposed to gay marriage. Not the concept of two homosexuals living with each other, no, there is civil union for that, but rather the notion that the church is much more progressive than it is.

There is even a valid excuse for that, like the fact that Old Testament says that homosexuality is an abomination and gays should be put to death, so the government is infringing on the beliefs of any subform of Christianity that acknowledges the Old Testament.

Psy-4 wrote:

I think I realized that I am technically opposed to gay marriage. Not the concept of two homosexuals living with each other, no, there is civil union for that, but rather the notion that the church is much more progressive than it is.

There is even a valid excuse for that, like the fact that Old Testament says that homosexuality is an abomination and gays should be put to death, so the government is infringing on the beliefs of any subform of Christianity that acknowledges the Old Testament.

I would make the usual arguments (tattoos, cloths, etc) but thats old, so let me try that Deuteronomy says that if a girl is had sex with pre-marraige (rape as well I think) raped, the guy HAS to marry her, I.E. the government or the family will force him to do it. And he must pay the brideprice for virgins. Our government, however, jails rapists especially, and does not force this marraige, nor do the familys. Isn't that going against the bible? By that logic, the government would have a law saying all unwed women who were raped and had their virginity removed must marry the rapists. it's like a personal affront to the lifestyle the old testiment promotes.

False Equivalence. I'm not saying the government should obey the Bible (which would lead to colossal backlash against religion), because in my own example, the government would have to execute the homosexuals.

I'm saying that the government compromising the beliefs of the Bible(and making it look better than it is) is as much a breach of the segregation of church and state as the Bible influencing government policies(and making it shitty).

Psy-4 wrote:

I'm saying that the government compromising the beliefs of the Bible(and making it look better than it is) is as much a breach of the segregation of church and state as the Bible influencing government policies(and making it shitty).

Just because a religion backs something, say "Thou Shalt Not Steal" for example, doesn't mean it's a bad idea for the State to do the same. Nor does it mean the State is promoting any religion holding that belief.