Shooting at CT Elementary School

A friend of mine on Facebook pointed out something interesting last night. The Second Amendment (which is justified as the right to bear arms) was written in an era when you could get off one shot, then you had to reload, and most towns didn't have formal police departments. You basically HAD to fend for yourself, because no one else was going to.

Compare that to today, when certain states have gun laws that don't even require a background check or waiting period (I was reading somewhere that today, in the US, a father accidentally shot his seven-year-old son outside the gun shop where he'd just bought the weapon). Owning a gun for protection simply doesn't make sense-more people are shot using their own guns than are shot by total strangers who just happen to break into their house.

My ex had guns, but he only used them for target shooting, and he kept them inside a locked steal cabinet when he wasn't using them. I insisted on this from the very start, but especially after we had kids. And while I know some people do just explode all of a sudden, that tends not to be the case in mass shootings. People who do this have serious mental heath probelms whcih aren't being addressed because a lot of mental health services were completely done away with back during the Bush era. Even if they know there's something wrong with them, they still have no way of getting help.

And yes, I'm well aware that people who really want guns can get them. Apparently, this shooter got his from his mother (whom he shot before he went on the rampage at the school). She kept guns in her house just lying around.

Consider this-you seldom hear about someone stabbing 20+ people to death. Why? Because it's harder to do. It's much easier to just walk in guns glazing. You don't even really have to look at the people your killing. Just point and shoot.

Isn't there a thread on a person stabbing 20+ kids in China right now?

Also, Harley, you need to look at the gun deaths per capita to get any useful statistics. Why? Because have more people in the U.S. than England so herp a derp, of course there's going to be more deaths here. Of course, we're still at 9 gun related deaths per 100,000 people as compared to the UK's .25 gun related deaths per 100,000, but the vast majority of them are suicides as compared to homicides.

Huh. I meant to post this fifteen minutes ago and I got sucked into the world of statistics. nuuuuu!

Maximilia wrote:

Isn't there a thread on a person stabbing 20+ kids in China right now?

Sometimes, every word in a sentence can be important. In this instance, Rabid Badger was talking about how you seldom get reports of 20+ people being killed in knife attacks. The word "killed" matters as it means that any examples used to disprove it need a body count. Thus, an article about 22 people being injured with a knife, but with no fatalities, is irrelevant.

the asylum wrote:

I shouldn't have, but I did.

I went to rightwingwatch.org.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Quote :

Fischer said that God could have protected the victims of this massacre, but didn't because "God is not going to go where he is not wanted" and so if school administrators really want to protect students, they will start every school day with prayer

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

the asylum wrote:

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Earth isn't the problem, America is. Should just put up a massive barrier around the whole country, you all hate foreigners anyway...

Quote :

Fred Phelps & Co. are already making asses of themselves over this.

Case in point.

Summercorn wrote:

Kids play up and drive their teachers round the bend all the time. Occasionally, they snap. If that happens and a kid gets hit the teacher loses his job and the kid gets a slap. If said teacher is armed, however...

I don't think a school full of teachers carrying guns would make school shootings a less frequent occurrence, Mikey. Just sayin'.

I'm not laughing at the tragedy, I'm laughing at the image you just put in my head of a teacher pointing a gun at an unruly student and yelling "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP BEFORE I BUST A CAP IN YOUR ASS!" Great alternative to detention...

Although, in fairness, I should point out that there are teachers who have driven kids to violence. I've known and even been taught by a few. They were utter assholes.

Rabid Badger wrote:

The bodies aren't even cold, and THIS appeared on Regretsy:

.http://www.regretsy.com/2012/12/14/the-worst-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-etsy/

I'm not sure I want to live in this world any more

Etsy should just ban that stuff like eBay did with "murderabilia". The fact that they haven't already speaks volumes about the place.

xerrofoot wrote:

Earth isn't the problem, America is. Should just put up a massive barrier around the whole country, you all hate foreigners anyway...

You don't see how this is ironic, do you?

xerrofoot wrote:

Quote :

Fred Phelps & Co. are already making asses of themselves over this.

Case in point.

By this logic I could say that Australians are obnoxious, over-tan men with thick, camp accents who spend their lives getting entirely too close to animals and put forth Steve Irwin as...well, a case in point.

But TBH Steve Irwin had a wife and kid and was fairly fit and we all know you spend your time in a basement, furiously masturbating to the thought of all the hot wiccan fillies you'd rape if only you hadn't slipped a disc or whatever trying to bench-press all of those autistic kids when the cheeto grease on your hands made you slip if not for the cheetos oh god if not for all the cheetos your life might have been different.

So we all know that logic is flawed, don't we?

TheHedonist wrote:

xerrofoot wrote:

Earth isn't the problem, America is. Should just put up a massive barrier around the whole country, you all hate foreigners anyway...

You don't see how this is ironic, do you?

We don't hate foreigners nearly as much as you do.

The Hedonist wrote:

By this logic I could say that Australians are obnoxious, over-tan men with thick, camp accents who spend their lives getting entirely too close to animals and put forth Steve Irwin as...well, a case in point.

Um... quite a lot of us are, what with our massive agricultural sector and abundance of people with lazy speech. So that doesn't entirely compare.


EDIT:

Quote :

But TBH Steve Irwin had a wife and kid and was fairly fit and we all know you spend your time in a basement, furiously masturbating to the thought of all the hot wiccan fillies you'd rape if only you hadn't slipped a disc or whatever trying to bench-press all of those autistic kids when the cheeto grease on your hands made you slip if not for the cheetos oh god if not for all the cheetos your life might have been different.

You know what really bothers me about that bit? You're not even trying to insult me properly any more. It looks like you put the bare minimum into it, like someone trying to get fired from their job.


EDIT2: Ahh fuck. WBC are planning to picket the funeral. A funeral for young children.

smh

You are aware that WBC just goes to the most emotional things because they want someone to punch them, so they can file a lawsuit? Being angry over them is what they want.

xerrofoot wrote:

We don't hate foreigners nearly as much as you do.

So you don't see the irony in using an us-vs-them mentality to point out the maybe-extant-maybe-not-you-haven't-really-proved-your-point-at-all jingoistic tendencies in another country and to prove your own prejudices to yourself.

Noted! You are still as self-aware as a stone.

xerrofoot wrote:

Um... quite a lot of us are, what with our massive agricultural sector and abundance of people with lazy speech. So that doesn't entirely compare.

'Your analogy makes sense, so you can't really compare it to mine.'

No really that is pretty much what you just said.

Quote :

You know what really bothers me about that bit? You're not even trying to insult me properly any more. It looks like you put the bare minimum into it, like someone trying to get fired from their job.

Please. That was an amalgamation of all of the buttons that make you squeal when someone pushes them. That you answered at all means it's working. I was considering saying something about letting shitty macros do your talking for you but I didn't want to belabor the point.

Uh, can we get back on topic? Xerro's being rational, and we should encourage that.

There is somthing horribly, horribly wrong with America's attitude to guns. When you can own a small assault rifle no questions asked, when you can walk about in public with a loaded gun, when there are almost zero background checks even for a gun licence...

You cannot say this guy just 'snapped' either, because people are saying that they are already coming up with ideas as to why he did it. Which means he must have had problems that were in some way apparent to other people.

You don't get it, do you?

ANYBODY CAN OWN A GUN.

UK: 41 deaths by gun. Every death is a big news thing.
USA: 39,000+ deaths by gun. You get killed with a gun; you are a statistic.

And the people who can make a difference do not want to. Because of the ridiculous constitutional laws made in a time when America actually had some reason to be concerned for its country. There's no risk of invasion, there's no bubbling civil war. Any person with all the training of a tadpole and the mental stability of a puppy in a whirlwind can just wander out and get a gun license just as soon as the post office can get it back to you.

So what you get is events like this. 18 kids, a man and his mother, all dead. DEAD. Do you even grasp that word? It means 18 kids will not be going home to their families, and NEVER WILL BE AGAIN. Children. Focus this in your mind. Focus on it... Fooooocuuuus...

18.

Children.

DIED.

How do you think this could have been prevented? By arming the kids? By having the teachers take their guns to school?

Or how about BACKGROUND CHECKS? Why is background checks such a problem for some Americans? Why is it so terrible that only non-criminals and sane people should get to own a device that can kill with the flick of a finger from 30 paces?

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Uh, can we get back on topic? Xerro's being rational, and we should encourage that.

There is somthing horribly, horribly wrong with America's attitude to guns. When you can own a small assault rifle no questions asked, when you can walk about in public with a loaded gun, when there are almost zero background checks even for a gun licence...

You cannot say this guy just 'snapped' either, because people are saying that they are already coming up with ideas as to why he did it. Which means he must have had problems that were in some way apparent to other people.

You don't get it, do you?

ANYBODY CAN OWN A GUN.

UK: 41 deaths by gun. Every death is a big news thing.
USA: 39,000+ deaths by gun. You get killed with a gun; you are a statistic.

AAAAND that's where I step in to say that you're a dumbass little fuck who should be off masturbating to 'cybertronian' porn. But seriously harley, first off, Xerro's not being rational, and we should continue to shun him for that (among his omg i r srs rapist threats).

Zero background checks in America? Do you live here? Have you bought a gun in America? It's up to the states to determine what level of security they want, I for one know that in Iowa you have to go through fucking fire and flames to have a damn chance at getting one (cause it's a conservative state and herp de durr).

And, problems that are somewhat obvious or transparent arn't problems you stupid furry. If they were transparent he would have been admitted into a mental institution WELL before this kiddie shoot off fun fest could have happened.

\end my posts back to single and double worded posts\

Reid. Thanks for completely disregarding the most important part of my post. I thought I made it simple enough but clearly I didn't. Which proves everything about stupidity that anybody on this board ever said.

All you can focus on is me not knowing the particulars of every state law on guns though. As if it's okay to kill people with a gun as long as you can qualify for a gun licence. Literally, a licence to kill.

And that's another problem brought to light, btw. Gun transport laws, and the fact that state licence laws vary. Can't get a gun licence in Idaho? Apply for it in, say, Utah, and get started on your collection; good for 33 states. And you don't even have to go to Utah!

Oh, and I got something wrong. Of course, you ignored it because it's not in your favour.

TWENTY children. 7 adults (including the mother, found later). And the shooter. All dead. 28 people dead in a single incident.

Please focus. You focusing, Reid? You paying attention? Come on, pay attention. Foooocuuuus. You can do this.

20.

Children.

DIED.

20 kiddy-sized body-bags carted out of that school. Got it in your head yet? Or are you too busy crying at Bambi?

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

RAWR RAEG!

Considering how bad you're raging at me telling you to stfu and stop being a furry... it's amusing that you're saying its' not in my favor, when I haven't even said whether or not I care, or really anything ABOUT the children or the massacre, I was simply saying you're wrong about the gun laws being as 'easy' to bypass as you said. Besides I've heard enough about it to feel SORRY for the kids that lost their lives, but that doesn't meant I'm gonna be all 'awwww imma cry for weeks about it' when y'know... it's already A) too late, and B) not gonna do anything in the end. So while it's regretful that it happened, mourn and then get over it, even if it takes you years.

Whenever somebody says that gun laws in America are just fine, or argues against the tightening of gun laws, I always get this sneaking suspicion that they don't want them tightened because they know they wouldn't get to have one.

But enough about my personal opinions. Let's look at a few facts, huh?

Reidmar wrote:

Considering how bad you're raging at me telling you to stfu and stop being a furry...

What does me being a furry have anything to do with this? When did ever I rage at anybody telling me to stop being a furry? When did you even bring references to furries up in this topic? Only right now, when you're trying to change the subject. If you're trying to divert my attention by insulting my furriness, you really don't know me very well.

Reidmar wrote:

but that doesn't meant I'm gonna be all 'awwww imma cry for weeks about it' when y'know..

Uh, Reid? It's less than 36 hours.

Reidmar wrote:

it's already A) too late, and B) not gonna do anything in the end.

It's not too late. Too late for THEM, maybe. But in 1999, at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, two students shot 13 people to death before killing themselves. Was it too late then? According to people like you, yes. According to people like you, no point. Why bother tightening gun laws? Totally unforseen. Couldn't have been predicted. Nothing could have stopped that guy. My right to own guns supercedes other people's right to live without the fear of being gunned down in the street.

Reidmar wrote:

it's amusing that you're saying its' not in my favor, when I haven't even said whether or not I care, or really anything ABOUT the children or the massacre,

Yes, this is because you DON'T care, as you prove about a sentance later.

Reidmar wrote:

So while it's regretful that it happened, mourn and then get over it, even if it takes you years.

Regretful? You are one heartless little shit, aren't you Reidmar. This isn't regretful. This isn't even a tragedy. This was a fucking MASACCRE of innocent young lives. You're not grasping it. Probably because you're clearly one of those people who thinks that because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't matter. So of course, you assume the same of me - it didn't happen to me, so I have no right to care. You are not for one moment considering the families who lost their children, the children who lost friends, the children who managed to survive, and had to watch their classmates being gunned down in front of their eyes. You just say...

Reidmar wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

RAWR RAEG!

You gonna say that again? Feel free, because it only confirms one thing; you can't argue against me, so you try and make a joke out of me. I can see even now the parts of this post you will carefully pick out, and warp entirely out of any context to try and mock me with.

School shootings are so fucking white. People mourning about the white kids in the white school. It's always white people.

No, there was one at a Reservation a few years ago.

xerrofoot wrote:

We don't hate foreigners nearly as much as you do.

This is delicious. I want that framed.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

I can see even now the parts of this post you will carefully pick out, and warp entirely out of any context to try and mock me with.

Except, you know, I don't actually HAVE to take anything out of context, you're already providing that for me. And for the Virginia 1999 tech shooting, if I remember right, gun laws tightened down hard.

And yes, I am a heartless son of a bitch, I know that. Thanks for being obvious Harley.

I didn't say 'son of a bitch' Reid. Around here, that's more of a character trait. An amusin comment. A friendly pat on the back

I said that you are a heartless little shit.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

I didn't say 'son of a bitch' Reid. Around here, that's more of a character trait. An amusin comment. A friendly pat on the back

I said heartless little shit.

In other words, you're getting bitchy because I admit to being physically unable to feel any sort of emotion for, well, just about anyone as I stated before, even nearby family members who I'm taking care of right now as I type this (well not right this minute) but am living with if they were shot in front of me I wouldn't feel emotion?

Whoops, I missed the edit. Might as well say it now.

Anyway, as I was trying to say before, gun laws need tightening. Not just state-wide, but nation-wide. They need to be the same across the nation, so that if you get a licence for owning a gun in one state, you should only be able to use guns in that

Reid, you complain about the background checks in Iowa, but in the UK, every time somebody gets shot we talk about how to crack down harder, and we have some of the tightest gun control in the world already.

There's no culture like Gun Culture.

Oh yeah, Reid... and empathy and respect for life are not weaknesses. I know it's tough for you to believe this, but they're not.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Oh yeah, Reid... and empathy and respect for life are not weaknesses. I know it's tough for you to believe this, but they're not.

...You realize, Harley, that I never said that empathy and respect for life are weaknesses, I said I cannot feel them. there's a DIFFERENCE.

Reidmar wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

Oh yeah, Reid... and empathy and respect for life are not weaknesses. I know it's tough for you to believe this, but they're not.

...You realize, Harley, that I never said that empathy and respect for life are weaknesses, I said I cannot feel them. there's a DIFFERENCE.

Yes. That makes you a sociopath.

Snotty McAsshole wrote:

We don't hate foreigners nearly as much as you do.

Snotty, I know I've already said this once, but it bears repeating:

FUCK. YOU.

The fact that people hate you has nothing to do with your nationality and everything to do with your being a judgmental, ignorant, misogynistic, arrogant, and generally unlikable shithead. You could be as American as apple pie and baseball and I would STILL despise you. If I were rich, I'd bet at least $500K many of your fellow Australians hate you just as much as(if not more than) I do. I've got an e-mail buddy who's from Australia and is active in the animal rescue cause, and if the two of you met face-to-face he'd tell you that the meanest, most ill-tempered dog is a thousand times more likable than you are. I suspect even most of your fellow Bronies can't stand you.

So do us all a favor, Snotty, and leave.

karmyn31 wrote:

No, there was one at a Reservation a few years ago.

Didnt hear that in the news. I wonder why