Boy killed for walking while black

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

I'd just appreciate it if you fucking sensationalist idiots would either stop making blind assumptions of what happened between "Okay" and "BANG" or present good evidence of what happened.

You mean like:

• Zimmerman following Martin down the street?
  
• Zimmerman calling 911 to complain about Martin. With the operating asking him not to?
  
• Zimmerman getting out of his car to confront Martin, armed?
  
• Zimmerman claiming to have gotten into a physical altercation with Martin, yet displaying no signs of injuries he claimed to have sustained, nor any mention of said injuries in any official reports we've seen?
  

The point, my oh-so-edgy, yet oh-so-thickheaded young friend, is not "OMG WHITEY* KILLED AN INNOCENT NEGRO", but "Man shoots unarmed teen, admits to doing so, and has yet to even be arrested, and may never be, thanks in part to fucked-up state laws (and racism)."

As others have repeatedly pointed out (and you and other experts like Un1t 0n3 keep ignoring) is that you don't get to chase someone down, shoot them, then claim "self defense." Even the bullshit "Stand Your Ground" laws in Florida don't support that.

So unless you have more than talk radio level "Liberal Conspiracy" bullshit to contribute, I suggest you follow Un1t 0n3's lead and Shut The Fuck Up and Go The Fuck Away.


* I am well aware that Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic. So cram it.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

I weigh 187lb and am 5'4"

Thank you for telling me this.

Pssst. I actually don't look fat. That's my whole point.

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Nobody (besides Zimmerman, I suppose) knows if Zimmerman half charged at Martin with his weapon brandished demanding to know what Martin was doing or if Zimmerman actually stayed back with his weapon holstered out of sight and Martin instigated the fight. Or, if you do know, I'd appreciate you showing some evidence of it.

Mikey, there's a shitload of links in this thread. The original Mother Jones article has 34 updates at time of posting. Go and read.

Here are the facts that we know:

Zimmerman called 911 on Martin. Zimmerman admitted to the 911 operator that he was following Martin. Zimmerman had a gun. Martin had a pack of Skittles and an iced tea. There was a confrontation or scuffle and Zimmerman shot Martin, fatally wounding him.

Had Zimmerman stayed in his fucking car, he could not have shot Martin. That's common sense. Also common sense - if you see someone you deem suspicious, and you're in a car and they're on the street, you stay in your car, where you're safe. I don't care how big a kid is (lol 190lb and 6' being "OMG BIG"), if you're in a car and someone comes charging at you on foot, you can drive away. Unless they've got a gun too, you're not in mortal danger.

Zimmerman wanted to be John Law, so he pursued Martin with a gun. Even if Martin turned on him and started smashing his head into the ground hard enough to make him black out but not hard enough to leave any marks on the police surveillance videos, Zimmerman put himself in the situation. It's absolutely disgusting and incomprehensible to me that he hasn't been arrested. People made a comparison earlier between the victim-blaming in this case and victim-blaming in cases of rape. Here's another parallel - the defence to an accusation of rape is "it was consensual", something that's almost impossible to disprove unless there's physical evidence of a struggle. If Zimmerman goes free for this, then it's basically okay to shoot unarmed teenagers, as long as you claim they looked "suspicious" and took a swing at you first.

Freezer wrote:

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

I'd just appreciate it if you fucking sensationalist idiots would either stop making blind assumptions of what happened between "Okay" and "BANG" or present good evidence of what happened.

You mean like:

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[*]Zimmerman following Martin down the street?
[*]Zimmerman calling 911 to complain about Martin. With the operating asking him not to?

I think you meant that Z followed M down the street even though the 911 operator told him that they (the cops) didn't need him to do that. What you said in the rest of it is right, and let me add a couple more points:
Two forensic voice identification experts have told The Orlando Sentinel that the voice screaming for help on the 911 tapes is not that of George Zimmerman. They reached this conclusion by comparing the recording of Zimmerman's 911 call and the screaming recorded on the neighbor's 911 calls. One of the analysts adds

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"I believe that's Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt," Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. "That's a young man screaming."

Zimmerman claimed that he'd been the one screaming for help, and the cops tried to get local witnesses to change their stories to fit that version.

Another inconsistency is that while Z's supporters claimed Trayvon sucker-punched him, broke his nose and wrestled to the ground, putting him in such fear for his life that he had to shoot the kid to protect himself, the undertaker who prepared Trayvon's body for burial told CBS News:

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“In dressing the body,” he said, “we could see no physical signs that there had been a scuffle or there had been a fight. You know, on the hands, I didn’t see any knuckles bruised, and that is something we would have covered up if it had been there.”

I think we have plenty of reasons to assume that Zimmerman et alia are god-damn liars, and that anyone who swallows what they have to say is ripe to be conned.

ETA: Mickey had better be on the lookout for shady characters trying to sell him the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.

Lol. There's a lot of retard going on in this thread but:

"He was 190 lbs at 6' (possibly a lie). And he has gold teeth!!!"

Takes the cake.

220, 6'1''. I'm guessing Unit One would shit himself if he saw me wandering down the road looking like an unshaven Viking.

Oh no wait, I'm white, so I can't possibly look dangerous.

Hot Cancer, you flatter yourself.
My nephew dwarfs you and I ain't intimidated by him, either.
But then again, he's kin and I love him to death...he knows it.

"220, 6'1''. I'm guessing Unit One would shit himself if he saw me wandering down the road looking like an unshaven Viking."

So you look like homeless guy...hardly something to lose control of my bowels over, and little more than hot air on the Internet, really.
Oh, and before I forget, my mention of the "gold teeth" and the "kid's" physical dimension was more about pointing out that he wasn't some little bitty waif that got viciously gunned down by some big mean ol' half white guy, but that the kid was older and more like an adult than the media three-rings portrays him.

So if pointing out true points is "retarded", well, that's on you...after all, you all seem to have bought into your talking points.

Freezer Wrote:
“I suggest you follow Un1t 0n3's lead and Shut The Fuck Up and Go The Fuck Away.”

Actually, I have this thing called “a life”...it’s got hobbies and responsibilities and other things that rate higher than making myself feel all happy and warm inside by insulting others for daring to have an opinion outside of the narrative.

So no, I didn't go away, I'm just enjoying the show.

Don't go patting yourself on the back for your poorly composed vitriol just yet, Freezer.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

Actually, I have this thing called “a life”...it’s got hobbies and responsibilities and other things that rate higher than making myself feel all happy and warm inside by insulting others for daring to have an opinion outside of the narrative.

'I this thing called a life'. Brat. I know condescension is a thing around here, but getting all high and mighty over people picking a fight with other people on an internet forum while picking a fight with other people over an internet forum is a really faulty move as far as direct insults are concerned.

Also, I love that 'unshaven Viking' translates to 'homeless', you poor prejudiced fool. Didn't your breed die out in the sixties?

Finally, for fuck's sake, learn how to use the quote button.

I love how we went straight to name-calling! Normally, that takes a page or two from the original point of dental contact disagreement.

"I've got hobbies and a life and stuff, so I'm not leaving" is an interesting train of thought, too.

grmblfjx wrote:

I love how we went straight to name-calling! Normally, that takes a page or two from the original point of dental contact disagreement.

"I've got hobbies and a life and stuff, so I'm not leaving" is an interesting train of thought, too.

It suggests that he hates his life etc., and would rather spend his free time here.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

So if pointing out true points is "retarded", well, that's on you...after all, you all seem to have bought into your talking points.

Two days to come up with a reply and this is what you serve up?

Weaksauce, son. Weaksauce.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

Actually, I have this thing called “a life”

Then what are you doing here? Fuck off and live your "life" already, you dumb racist shitbag.

edit: I love that your entire answer was basically "heh i'm just pulling some strings for my own entertainment even though i should be doing more important shit because i'm an important person with a life HEH you assholes should stop patting yourselves on the back *pats self on back so hard bruises form*"

Funny stuff.

I'm being called a racist because I respond to a thread given a clearly race-based title on a case that really has nothing to do with "race".

I'm identified as a "racist" because I point out the crime happens to every ethnicity, is equally tragic, and yet, the particular case at hand here earned its "racial bent" due to the likes of Sharpton, NBPP, Farrakhah, and Jackson are trying to pin the "brutal" shooting of a youth on what looks like a "white" guy.

And apparently, I'm a racist for pointing out the disparity of equal treatment in the media.

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"Also, I love that 'unshaven Viking' translates to 'homeless', you poor prejudiced fool. Didn't your breed die out in the sixties?"

Sorta like "differing opinion" means "subject of ridicule"...right?

I love how the vitriol was the first, most important thing to bring out, (other than spelling) rather than actual discussion.

And hey, speaking of 'dying breeds' one would think the hard-core communists died out long ago, but according to the Communist Party USA (read the member-list, if you can find it) it's very much alive and well.

But the whole "weak sauce" comment is just a reflection of the same on your part, Feeze...so if you wanna comment, hnn'yoh'kay.

Gotta wait for my lawn mower parts t'come in anyway....

Can we keep him?

In small bits for ease of reading...

Rabid Badger wrote:
Hey guys! We got a newbie! Shall we welcome them properly, or frustrate them by ignoring them?

Actually, Rabid Badger, I’ve commented a couple times before. You’re welcome to ignore me or hate me...or whatever, I’m just as inclined to return the favour.

My life doesn’t revolve around whether or not my opinion is approved of by everyone else.

I thought I told you to kill yourself, maggot.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

I'm being called a racist because I respond to a thread given a clearly race-based title

No, you're being called a racist because you post shit like "OMG TREYVON WAS TALL AND HAD GOLD TEETH" as if it's supposed to mean something. What difference does it make? Seriously, tell me. Does that mean "he was obviously up to no good"? Does it mean his death was no big loss?

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I'm identified as a "racist" because I point out the crime happens to every ethnicity

No, you cited a case of a white couple being murdered by a group of black people, ignoring the fact that in that case, five people are now serving massive sentences. Zimmerman murdered a seventeen year old and remains free.

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the particular case at hand here earned its "racial bent" due to the likes of Sharpton, NBPP, Farrakhah, and Jackson are trying to pin the brutal shooting of a youth on what looks like a "white" guy.

They aren't "trying to pin" it on Zimmerman. He fucking admitted it. He's claiming self-defence, not that he didn't shoot Martin. Jesus, you can't even keep it straight.

Tell me this, maggot: tell me how whether Martin was a "good kid" or whether Martin attacked Zimmerman first, changes the following facts:

- Zimmerman called 911 on Martin.
- Martin tried to run (from the transcript of Zimmerman's 911 call: "Shit, he's running.")
- Zimmerman followed Martin with a gun.
- Zimmerman had the option of staying in his vehicle.
- Martin was unarmed.
- Zimmerman shot Martin and fatally wounded him.

Oh by the way, Hot Cancer is not spouting hot air when he describes himself as an unshaven Viking. You'd piss yourself if you saw him.

Try to be a little systematic, because it just so vital to "learn to use a quote button" (whatever, I'll waste my time as I see fit to do so.)

Rachel wrote:
Wow, this dickhead's even dumber and more gullible than Mickey; pretty much all of this rave looks to be straight outta Stormfront. I vote "Ignore".

But not before you inflict your charming commentary about a stranger’s mentality or give them a title of “dickhead”, and assume their source material is exclusively biased. Never been to stormfront, but thanks for playing. Will take a peek...

Ah! I see...Stormfront is a white supremacy website, from what I gathered when I entered the term. Nice try, but no, it’s not my cup of tea, there....bit too Nazi for me.

(But that is what your ilk does, isn’t it? Any different opinion is met with the usual barrage of “Nazi! Racist! Homophobe!” as applicable; no point, just names.)

I’m pointing out disparity. And of late, it seems to be more about this “race” nonsense is making news, when it shouldn’t. The fact of the matter is, it’s people hurting, killing, robbing other people, and we should all be treated uniformly under the Law.

Zimmerman’s the bad guy because he pointed out that there’s “some black guy lookin’ like he’s up to no good” and unwisely, choosing to follow.

Just as well, when Treyvon noticed he wasn’t being followed, he, too, could have just let it go and went home.

Neither person followed his better judgment.
The news outlets and hucksters like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharptongue, et al smell blood in the water and money in the air otherwise they wouldn’t bother. Race Pimps that have long stopped giving a damn about their “race”.

^ Unit, sweetie, if it takes any amount of time for you to learn to use the quote button I think you should consider a forum closer to your mental speed.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

Just as well, when Treyvon noticed he wasn’t being followed, he, too, could have just let it go and went home.

Disregarding, for the moment, all else that you said...f'nuh? Where did you get that notion? He was being followed. That's the point. He was being stalked by a man in a car, then chased on foot by a man with a gun.

Do you understand what privilege is? Go through this list. See how much applies to you. Rethink your statements.

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

My life doesn’t revolve around whether or not my opinion is approved of by everyone else.

Translation: LOOK AT ME! LOOK HOW MUCH I DON'T CARE!

BTW: Don't want to be branded racist? Stop saying racist shit.

Mr.Doobie wrote:

Can we keep him?

Good Lord, I hope not. We need Un1t 0n3 like we need a hole in the head.

Oh, and Un1t 0n3, in case you happen to be reading this: Go to hell.

How Un1t 0n3 thinks this confrontation will end:


How this confrontation will actually end:
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(But that is what your ilk does, isn’t it? Any different opinion is met with the usual barrage of “Nazi! Racist! Homophobe!” as applicable; no point, just names.)

Hrmmmm with how defensive you're getting you must get called a bigot a lot.

Wonder what that means...

Unit one: obviously the first Mobile Shooting Unit, aka: running man gunned down by a sniper.

\sarcasm

\\didn't get the reference, gtfo.

Anyway, point being, the media FINALLY (FINALLY) Admitted to being a dirty-piece-of-drama steaming-fecal-matter which will never contribute anything worth to News.

Also... Unit one sounds and seems to act like a little kid with a dictionary, is he mikey's cousin by any chance?

Un1t 0n3 wrote:

The fact of the matter is, it’s people hurting, killing, robbing other people, and we should all be treated uniformly under the Law.

1) People aren't treated uniformly under the law.
2) Why hasn't Zimmerman been charged with any crime?

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Zimmerman’s the bad guy because he pointed out that there’s “some black guy lookin’ like he’s up to no good” and unwisely, choosing to follow.

No, he's the bad guy because he pursued and shot a seventeen year old.

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Just as well, when Treyvon noticed he wasn’t being followed, he, too, could have just let it go and went home.

Trayvon (SPELL IT RIGHT, SHITSUCKER) was being followed. You're relying on Zimmerman's fairy story that he went back to his car and Martin ran up and attacked him.

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Neither person followed his better judgment.

Awwww, well we should just let Zimmerman go and hope he doesn't have another lapse in judgement and shoot someone else that he doesn't like.

Come on, you fucking coward. Answer my fucking questions. Tell me how anything in the world justifies the pursuit and murder of an unarmed youth on his way home from the shops. I mean do you understand at all why people are outraged or are you so busy railing against money-grubbing "race pimps" and how unfair the world is to Whitey that you don't see anything wrong with a 28 year old man stalking a teenager and shooting him, all because he didn't like the look of him? Do you get it? This kid was murdered because he walked down to the shops to buy himself some sweeties. That's what fucking kills me - he wasn't at the liquor store with a fake ID and a bunch of his friends, all out to get drunk and start trouble. He wasn't trying to break into a house. He wasn't what Britcops call "going equipped for theft". He was buying sweets to eat while watching a ball game. But none of that mattered to George Zimmerman and his delusions of authority. He didn't like the look of Martin, so he called the cops. And not content with that, he followed Martin when Martin did the sensible thing and tried to run away. MARTIN'S DEATH IS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ZIMMERMAN'S FAULT. Don't you fucking dare bring any more vile victim-blaming shit in here. Just fucking don't.

Cyberwulf wrote:

Oh by the way, Hot Cancer is not spouting hot air when he describes himself as an unshaven Viking. You'd piss yourself if you saw him.

Ooh~ Is he single?