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Alright, my mistake. Sorry about that. However, you also said this:

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I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

Which was the part I was trying to disprove. Sure, America has done a lot of shit over the years - there are a lot of wars with their name on it - but that's not all they've done, and besides, they're not the only nation with a massive list of wars on their CV.

Yes. We have had considerably less time to fuck over everyone else than the rest of you lot.

I think Somath has some good points, he's just saying them very harshly which makes you people jump like crazies. First of all I think Somath was talking about all the wars and weird shit USA has done(and still does) in the past in the global politics.

You should all know from the history how USA was(and sadly still is) very frightened of Communism. They invented the domino theory. They also gave their support whatever facists there were, if a working class party was getting support. You should know that many conflicts and civil wars in Africa are due to this.

USA gave weapons to Saddam Hussein. This is a fact. Now in 2000s they hung the same man, because he had turned his whole country into a shit. And let's not talk about the twin towers.

USA is still having Cuba in isolation. Why? Because they are communists. Cuba is fucking small country, I kinda doubt they would harm a big country like that.

From European point of view you lot also have very fucked up social system. Governement invests huge amounts of money to military, but at the same time you have people dying because they can't afford insurance. And let's not talk about the homeless people, okay.

Also what the fuck is wrong with your government playing the world police anyway? Everyone knows the idiocy Vietnam war and Korean war were. And in the end we still have North Korea that may or may not be a global risk.
Supporting Israel: Hey let's give them that piece of land there in the middle of an existing country and oh yeah let's give them some weapons too. What do you mean they are killing off and conquering more Palestinian soil. We'll give them our full support of course!

Also what it comes to inventions. I believe somebody would have invented sooner or later anyway. Don't forget that it was actually Russians who first went into space(Juri Gagarin) and they had a space station that actually worked(Mir).

Getting a nobel prize isn't that big of a deal actually. F.E. Sillanpää got one and he was a Finn(actually lived in the town near my home). Does that make Finns a great contributor of good to the world?

I like your country actually. you're quiet and pretty and I might move there because people in my country are very loud and bossy.

Its either y'all or Sweden.

frostflowers wrote:

Alright, my mistake. Sorry about that. However, you also said this:

Quote :

I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

Which was the part I was trying to disprove. Sure, America has done a lot of shit over the years - there are a lot of wars with their name on it - but that's not all they've done, and besides, they're not the only nation with a massive list of wars on their CV.

I know this. England has loads of wars under it's belt, mostly with Scotland, Wales, Ireland and France over territory, and Spain over the religion thing. It comes with having a monarchy. Recently Iraq and Afghanistan to help clean up Americas messes as well.
Do I claim the creation of the Chocolate Hob Nob and Cricket make up for them? Hell no. Why are you trying to do the same for America? Lord knows.

Edit:- Hell we went around the world and fecking took over most of it, If that isn't the mother of all asshole moves I don't know what is.

Somath Cegem wrote:

Mafiosa wrote:

Are we seriously having a nation dick wagging contest.

I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

You play WoW. Your argument is invalid.

Penguin wrote:

Somath Cegem wrote:

Mafiosa wrote:

Are we seriously having a nation dick wagging contest.

I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

You play WoW. Your argument is invalid.

You willingly joined up to the same military that soaks up billions of dollars that could be better spent actually making your country a better place to live instead of policing the rest of the world. Your very existence is invalid.

We gave you WoW. We could take it away, peasant. Subjects should mind their tone when addressing free citizens.

frostflowers wrote:

Alright, my mistake. Sorry about that. However, you also said this:

Quote :

I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

Which was the part I was trying to disprove. Sure, America has done a lot of shit over the years - there are a lot of wars with their name on it - but that's not all they've done, and besides, they're not the only nation with a massive list of wars on their CV.

That's the point exactly, the disproving of that. I'm not saying America is perfect. It isn't. Neither is any other country. We can sit all day and point out the merits and flaws of each country, totalling up some invisible score on some scoreboard, but the end result is the same: Nothing anyone says is going to change anything. No one's going to change their mind. No country or government is going to listen to us and go "Oh, noes, you are right, we should withdraw from the global scene because we are awful!". No one gives a shit.

Besides, you're British, Somath. I pretty much automatically ignore any anti-Americanism coming from Brits because we beat your ass back not once, but twice. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Joining the military in the United States has benefits though. Job security, housing, health care (Okay, Tricare fights you on a lot, but if you shout loud enough, they give you what you want to make you go away), spousal benefits, a GI Bill to put yourself/your children intop college, something that most military people would not be able to afford on their own, etc.

You have to realize Somath, the United States' military is often the only option for a lot of people.

And as for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, our own government lied through their teeth to us and got us in this clusterfuck. We didn't find out that it was indeed a pack of lies until it was too late. Should we be policing other countries? No. Hell no. But I think there's a certain amount of guilt involved. We are a country of immigrants, mainly. And when a lot of people see their ancestral homes in need of dire help, they can't help but feel they should get involved now that they have the power to do so.

As for our odd way of spending, yes that is pretty fucked up. We do put a lot of money into the military and not a lot into anything else. Its wrong. But for me to say that is pretty hypocritical, because I've benefited heavily from the military. I have Tricare and the only way I can go to school is with the GI Bill. So my opinion in that subject is probably irrelevant.

Maximilia wrote:

Besides, you're British, Somath. I pretty much automatically ignore any anti-Americanism coming from Brits because we beat your ass back not once, but twice. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Does that mean a guy from North Vietnam could slate America all day and you would have no choice but to listen to him cause they kicked your asses using stolen guns and sticks?

Lapin wrote:

And as for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, our own government lied through their teeth to us and got us in this clusterfuck.

FTFY

Lapin wrote:

Joining the military in the United States has benefits though. Job security, housing, health care (Okay, Tricare fights you on a lot, but if you shout loud enough, they give you what you want to make you go away), spousal benefits, a GI Bill to put yourself/your children intop college, something that most military people would not be able to afford on their own, etc.

But something everybody could have (all be it to a lesser degree) if your spending wasn't so screwed up.

Lapin wrote:

You have to realize Somath, the United States' military is often the only option for a lot of people.

See my comment about the military being a financial sponge for my opinion on this statement.

Lapin wrote:

And as for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, our own government lied through their teeth to us and got us in this clusterfuck. We didn't find out that it was indeed a pack of lies until it was too late. Should we be policing other countries? No. Hell no. But I think there's a certain amount of guilt involved. We are a country of immigrants, mainly. And when a lot of people see their ancestral homes in need of dire help, they can't help but feel they should get involved now that they have the power to do so.

I get the guilt thing, England was once in control of a lot of the world so when things go wrong in what once was a province of our the old help em out instincts tend to kick in, but if there is a difference between helping with the velvet glove and the iron gauntlet that America still seems to not get. Some times Help for the poor sods caught in the middle and some guards to keep em safe is much more appreciated than bombing both sides into the dust.

Lapin wrote:

As for our odd way of spending, yes that is pretty fucked up*. We do put a lot of money into the military and not a lot into anything else. Its wrong. But for me to say that is pretty hypocritical, because I've benefited heavily from the military. I have Tricare and the only way I can go to school is with the GI Bill. So my opinion in that subject is probably irrelevant.

And you abuse that system for all it's worth Lapin, doesn't mean I have to like it.

Penguin wrote:

Somath Cegem wrote:

Mafiosa wrote:

Are we seriously having a nation dick wagging contest.

I'm personally saying that America has done more harm than good globally, deal with it.

You play WoW. Your argument is invalid.

No no no... He's British, which means his argument is invalid and he should feel invalid.

Also, didn't Eli Whitney invent the steam engine too? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

Also also, coming up with a vague idea for something does not mean you get credit when someone competent actually builds a working contraption based on that idea. People other than Alexander Bell had the idea for a telephone, but he was the one who actually made one. And we all know women can't build anything, they can only cook.

Also also also, Penny willingly joined up with the same military that rescued Britain, and the rest of the free world, from the Germans in WWII, while nearly single handedly defeating Japan in the same war.

Also also also also, for all of your bitching about the amount of money the military spends, you don't seem to realize the millions who have jobs because of the military. Whether it be the soldiers themselves, the people designing all of the fun gimzos and wingdings and whatzits that they use, or the people actually building all of that crap.

Penguin wrote:

Lapin wrote:

And as for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, our own government lied through their teeth to us and got us in this clusterfuck.

FTFY

Oh yeah, you guys just trundled through there, blew up the Taliban bases you could find and kept rolling on to Baghdad leaving the British soldiers to tidy up. Something we are still doing btw not that you fuckers care any more.

That's because we thought that you kids had grown up and were ready for a little more responsibility now. Clearly, we were wrong.

I just think that the way spending should be done is likely to never happen. Having such idealogically different parties means that both sides tend to spread blatant lies about the other side that average people who don't research just believe.

Exhibit A.:

Democrats: Health care for everyone seems like a good idea, lets try to start implementing that.

Republicans: WHAT?! The Democrats are trying to spend money that could go towards fancier guns?! Well that's un-American! Hey, you know what the Democrats are going to implement?! DEATH PANELS!

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Also, didn't Eli Whitney invent the steam engine too? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

Yeah, Thomas Savery. Guess where he's not from.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Also also, coming up with a vague idea for something does not mean you get credit when someone competent actually builds a working contraption based on that idea. People other than Alexander Bell had the idea for a telephone, but he was the one who actually made one. And we all know women can't build anything, they can only cook.

By that logic Mikey your the inventor of blatant sexism and being an unlikable prick, many have done it before, none do it quite as well as you.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

Also also also, Penny willingly joined up with the same military that rescued Britain, and the rest of the free world, from the Germans in WWII, while nearly single handedly defeating Japan in the same war.

Actually in WW1 Germany had all but lost, they just knocked about 6/9 months off the end date cause the French soldiers refused to match at guns anymore and would only defend.
In WW2 you worked in tandem with Britain, Canada and Australian troops as well as others from many other countrys. The america presence in europe was smaller than in WW2 thanks to you guys having trouble in the pacific.
Oh and well done on droping the nukes, 70 years on it's still poisoning babies, good job guys.

Speaking of nukes, the UK can't even secure theirs properly.

Lapin wrote:

I just think that the way spending should be done is likely to never happen. Having such idealogically different parties means that both sides tend to spread blatant lies about the other side that average people who don't research just believe.

Exhibit A.:

Democrats: Health care for everyone seems like a good idea, lets try to start implementing that.

Republicans: WHAT?! The Democrats are trying to spend money that could go towards fancier guns?! Well that's un-American! Hey, you know what the Democrats are going to implement?! DEATH PANELS!

Isn't that basically the whole problem with your country, Republicans?

Some of them are rather lovely.

Its just the shouting ones who...kind of....





Yes.

Lapin wrote:

Some of them are rather lovely.

Its just the shouting ones who...kind of....





Yes.

Thought so.

The Republicans are a necessary evil. They keep the Democrats in check. They just need to be taught a... lesson.

Hey, your BNP makes the Republicans in our country look like Santa!

Lapin wrote:

Hey, your BNP makes the Republicans in our country look like Santa!

Yeah but the BNP is a minor party and at the moment is under going major investigation for being raciest arses, Republicans, are a major party, still.