Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 34 Location : The Land of Strangeness
Subject: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:28 pm
This just pisses me off.
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Danville's police chief says one of his officers acted properly by shooting and killing an 11-year-old miniature dachshund that ran at him while growling.
How much of a threat could an 11-year-old dog be?
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As the officer returned to his car, "he was surprised by a growling dog running through the yard directly at him from the rear, leaving him with just seconds to consider his options," according to the a release from Broadfoot.
Do you want to know how much a miniature dachshund weighs? 11 lbs (5.0 kg)
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The options, according to the chief: running to the squad car, distracting the dog or using pepper spray, a baton or firearm.
Which one does he choose? Oh, just the deadliest of them all.
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Broadfoot said the dog lunged at the officer and attacked him.
"Shooting a dog which is actively presenting a threat to an officer is within the department's policy," according to the release.
You know what happens when my miniature dachshund "lunges" at me? Nothing. You know why? Because she's too small to cause any harm.
Fuckers.
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Amanda
Join date : 2009-06-10
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:44 pm
You kidding? Those fuckers can be fierce.
...Seriously though wth
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theweirdkind Bastion of Sanity
Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 34 Location : The Land of Strangeness
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:02 pm
^That sounds like my dog.
unskilled78 Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 34 Location : a hell of his own creation.
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:20 pm
If it's really that scary, jump on the hood of the car, or pick it up & hold away from you.
VileCorp Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-11 Age : 44 Location : Finland
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:21 pm
I think the officer was more concerned for any disease the said animal might carry...
But hey, the next time you see some small animal charging at you, just let it bite you, I'm sure the chances of it infecting you with some nasty disease are really small.
Harley Quinn hyenaholic Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-12 Age : 39 Location : Taking that picture...
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:32 pm
And this is why guns are BAD. Because people reach for them without thinking about what will happen AFTER they fire. They NEVER get enough training to keep crap from this happening.
He had a batton. Or he could even have run off. Or kicked it away. He DIDN'T NEED TO SHOOT A TINY DOG.
Verandering The Gender Offender
Join date : 2009-06-04 Location : Colorado
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:54 am
Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
And this is why guns are BAD. Because people reach for them without thinking about what will happen AFTER they fire. They NEVER get enough training to keep crap from this happening.
Yeah, he probably had a taser too. He should have used that. Do you know how fragile those small dogs can be?
theweirdkind Bastion of Sanity
Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 34 Location : The Land of Strangeness
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:59 am
Verandering wrote:
Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
And this is why guns are BAD. Because people reach for them without thinking about what will happen AFTER they fire. They NEVER get enough training to keep crap from this happening.
Yeah, he probably had a taser too. He should have used that. Do you know how fragile those small dogs can be?
It was also 11-years-old. That's 77-years-old in dogs years. That's really fragile.
Root Admin Administrator
Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 35 Location : 997
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:04 am
theweirdkind wrote:
It was also 11-years-old. That's 77-years-old in dogs years. That's really fragile.
It's like using a taser on your grandma. :eng101:
ZoZo Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 38 Location : In WD40's head
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:47 am
Are Dachshunds the ones which have tiny little legs which are too short to climb on anything? If so, how can it pose a threat to anyone?
Should have used the bonus option: let it growl at your ankles then bend down, tickle its ears and go "oo's a good boy? Yes you are, yes you aaaaare".
Salamas Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-11 Age : 34 Location : Dark Corner
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:16 am
Fucker. Seriously, shooting a tiny dog that is growling? Was this cop afraid of dogs or damn stupid? Did this guy think that he is nearing the dog's area, of course it will start growling at you! Our dog barks at anyone who passes by the house, she's no harm, most she'll do is jump against you and want to sniff your hand, and she's way twice as big as a Miniature Dachshund.
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The officer leaned against his patrol car, smoking a cigarette, and Tawaiin walked over to talk to him. He said the officer told him that he had to shoot the dog because he was barking at him.
I have the urge to throttle this man. Barking?! That's what dogs do! They're not capable of speech, dimwit!
unskilled78 Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-03 Age : 34 Location : a hell of his own creation.
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:35 am
Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
And this is why guns are BAD. Because people reach for them without thinking about what will happen AFTER they fire. They NEVER get enough training to keep crap from this happening.
He had a batton. Or he could even have run off. Or kicked it away. He DIDN'T NEED TO SHOOT A TINY DOG.
Except for the large numbers of people who don't use the guns they have willy-nilly.
Obviously, this is an unusually piss-poor use of a fire-arm, otherwise we would not be as shocked and appalled.
So, stop gun-wanking, please
Sheba Shitgobbling pissdrinker
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 36
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:53 am
As a dog owner, this just makes me sad. I only hope the Doxie's owner didn't have kids that had to watch Mr. nice policeman murder their dog.
Harley Quinn hyenaholic Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-12 Age : 39 Location : Taking that picture...
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:46 am
Verandering wrote:
Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
And this is why guns are BAD. Because people reach for them without thinking about what will happen AFTER they fire. They NEVER get enough training to keep crap from this happening.
Yeah, he probably had a taser too. He should have used that. Do you know how fragile those small dogs can be?
Ver, you're being a PILLOCK.
You're acting like because GUNS are bad, I'm saying we should use something else, like a fucking AXE or something. When the hell did I mention tasers? You stupid piece of shit. YOU are the one who wants to use tasers on little dogs and grandmas.
AngryRobotsInc Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 39 Location : Hampton Roads, Virginia
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:05 am
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The dog lunged at the police officer and attacked him as the officer fired one shot that hit and killed the dog, Broadfoot said. An investigation by the Danville Police Department found that the dog displayed aggressive tendencies before other people.
Nice to know you all read the article. The dog, according to the story, didn't just stand in the yard barking. It was actively presenting a threat. Little dog or no, the procedure there is clear. Even a little dog can break the skin if it bites in attack, and honestly, you don't take chances with animals like that. His options were to book it, or try to restrain the dog, both of which still have a chance of ending with a bite, or actively take down the threat. If the owners had that little control over their pet, I don't feel particularly bad for them.
Notomys mordax
Join date : 2009-06-03
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:37 pm
I have two things to say about this.
Firstly, I have encountered several small dogs whom have been terribly trained and socialized because their owners think that they are 'no threat' to anybody. While a 10lb dog is unlikely to cause anybody serious lasting harm, it's pretty obnoxious to have to deal with small dogs whom demonstrate behaviors that would probably force a larger dog to be euthananized (most notably aggressive biting). I read the article, and unfortunately without being there I cannot really say if the dog was being aggressive and actually posing a 'threat' or if it was just doing what most small dogs do--barking and warning a stranger not to get near his family.
I volunteer for a local rodent rescue, and foster rats, part of my work includes socializing and taming animals so that they can be adopted out. As such I have firsthand experience in the sort of damage that bites from small animals can do (granted, the jaw structure of a rodent and dog are completely different, but the point still sticks). I have recieved pleanty of pretty nasty bites, some of which have required stitches...however, the amount of damage a 10lb animal could do to a fully grown man (whom is presumably wearing closed-toed shoes and pants) is NOT going to be life threatening. As somebody whom has received more than the average amount of animal bites, I don't think that the potential damage the dog could've done to the officer was worth the use of lethal force. I'm pretty sure he would've been able to defend himself with a good sharp kick pretty effectively.
Is this officer going to shot a person just because they give him a dirty look?
Second point, all of the police officers I know personally are not people whom I would select for their possitions. From what I have observed, the police force has a tendency to attract the wrong sorts of people. I do not think that guns are 'bad' persay, but I do think that the police force should be much more selective about the individuals they permit into their force (and thus to carry firearms with the ability to 'freely' use them).
Lesson learned: 1) police officers are not always psychologically well adjusted individuals. 2) just because your dog is 10lbs doesn't mean that it shouldn't be treated in the same way as a larger dog: keep them in a contained yard.
AngryRobotsInc Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 39 Location : Hampton Roads, Virginia
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:52 pm
It's not the damage from the bite the officer would have to worry about. It's the things the dog could possibly be carrying.
VileCorp Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-11 Age : 44 Location : Finland
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:44 pm
AngryRobotsInc wrote:
It's not the damage from the bite the officer would have to worry about. It's the things the dog could possibly be carrying.
But it's such a cuteeeee puppy!!! It's not a danger to anyone!!!
Bamshalam Shitgobbling pissdrinker
Join date : 2009-06-10
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:32 pm
Yeah...though it's sad that the dog is dead, I don't think there's anything this police officer could've done that wouldn't had incited a disgusted reaction from someone. It's stupid to let a strange, angry dog bite you regardless of how small and old it is, so his options were to a) shoot it, which is sad; b) taze it, which is OMFG HORRIBLE if you're Harely's dumbass or c) kick it away, which would have resulted in the dog being injured and a lot of rigeous indignation on the part of newsreades. There's really no way he could've gotten out of the situation unharmed without hurting the dog in some way, so it was pretty much a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation.
I fucking hate the shit out of Cops In The News and I can see that.
Lapin Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 35 Location : Maryland
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:07 pm
Hey, you want to know what I do when my neighbor's aggressive little daschund? (May they move soon) I grab the little fuck around the muzzle or I grab it by the scruff and restrain it at a safe distance until I can put the motherfucker in his yard or his house.
Know how I do that with him? Because he's a daschund, weighs about ten pounds and has a tiny little mouth.
Harley Quinn hyenaholic Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-12 Age : 39 Location : Taking that picture...
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:55 am
It's not a freaking stray, it's a house dog. It probably won't be carrying rabies.
And yes, the guy probably would have gotten bitched at no matter what. But I think you're losing sight of what DID HAPPEN. An 11lb dog got bitchy, as little dogs do, and ran at a cop. So the guy's automatic reation was to PULL OUT A GUN AND SHOOT IT.
Come on! It's a GUN. That's lethal force. He's got a taser, and a baton, and he could have kicked the dog away. If he's that trigger happy with a small dog, what the HELL is he gonna do to shoplifters?
VileCorp Sporkbender
Join date : 2009-06-11 Age : 44 Location : Finland
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:00 am
Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:
If he's that trigger happy with a small dog, what the HELL is he gonna do to shoplifters?
Probably taser them, seeing as they are actually humans.
Harley Quinn hyenaholic Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-12 Age : 39 Location : Taking that picture...
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:51 am
Pft. Like a cop trained to pull a gun on a defenceless dog would think twice about pulling it on a human who might even be hiding a hunting rifle under their coat.
What is it with lately the only people joining the cops being trigger happy goons who grab their first chance to try out their shiny new toys on the nearest piece of flesh? *sings*
Jam that taser in the flesh, JAM IT RIGHT IN! OH YEAH, OH YEAH! Cus they might have a time bomb under tjheir coat! OH YESH! OH YESH! SHOOT THEM IN THE LEGS! Cus they might not want to get arrested and might try to FLEE! OH YEAH, OH YEAH! Just life ain't no right, it's a fucking PRIVILIGE! Oh yeah, oh yeah! And we'll fire rapidly into your gut if we don't like the cut of your giff, oh yeah, oh yeah!
Lady Anne NO NOT THE BEEEEES
Join date : 2009-06-12 Age : 47 Location : The land of the fruits and nuts
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:24 am
Small animals can indeed give nasty bites. I used to keep guinea pigs, and one day, when two males were fighting for dominance, one of them mistook me for his rival and bit me so hard on the pinky finger that when I lifted my hand, he was still hanging on. He bit so deep that he tore the muscle, and to this day I can't stand having that part of the finger touched. He also tore off the skin containing a good portion of that finger's prints, which gave the people who took my fingerprints for my job fits, since they couldn't get a complete fingerprint from that finger.
And this was a small animal better known for eating vegetables than attacking people.
Nevertheless, I concur that the cop used excessive force on the daschund. It's always been my experience that pesky little dogs (including the growling, snarling, barking kind) can be put off with a quick but none too forceful kick. Maybe this dog was different, but I doubt it.
It should be noted that an 11-year-old dog can still be pretty strong and resilient. Before my 15-year-old spaniel-retriever mix died in February, she was quite capable of killing and devouring cats, chickens, and an endangered egret who thought the goldfish pond was its own personal snackbar. On the other hand, it should also be noted that she was considerably bigger than a daschund, weighing in at 35 pounds. She was no threat to humans, though--when confronted with a strange human who didn't have one of us accompanying them, she would snarl, bark--and stay just out of range. She never bit anybody. Good thing she never met an unaccompanied cop.
Mafiosa You crack me up, little buddy!
Join date : 2009-06-03
Subject: Re: 11 Pound Dog was "Presenting a Threat to an Officer" Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:40 am
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The dog lunged at the police officer...directly at him from the rear
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An investigation by the Danville Police Department found that the dog displayed aggressive tendencies before other people.
Boo hoo someone's aggressive family dog died. Maybe they'll bother put the next one on a leash instead of letting it run around all crazy like.
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