Ted Kennedy, "The Lion Of The Senate", passes away at 77

In spite of the rotten things he did in his personal life, I admired what he worked for.

Spotty wrote:

He fought to enact COBRA

LET'S GO, JOE!

Spotty wrote:

He was the consummate dealmaker - working with Democrats who loved him and Republicans who despised him. Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, whose first senatorial campaign was built around attacking everything Kennedy was, later worked with Kennedy on his first piece of legislation.

That also lead to awful stuff like that McCain-Kennedy immigration bill, that was fortunately never passed. Two bad ideas do not come together to make a good idea.

Lady Anne wrote:

In spite of the rotten things he did in his personal life, I admired what he worked for.

In spite of the totally bitching partying he did and his ruthless way of handling enemies, I loathed him for the pinheaded liberal garbage he worked for.

Mikey, I'm only going to say this once:

I've had my fill of people not even waiting until he's in the ground to make snide remarks.

If you can't at least have the decency to try and be respectful, then shut the fuck up.

No matter what Ted did in his personal past I liked him and he shall be missed. He was a great Senator (one of the few) who was human.

R.I.P. Ted.

Mikey STFU or try and be a least a decent human being. Thank you.

Spotts1701 wrote:

As the Bard once wrote: "He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

Some other things.

If you bring up the bad deeds, you must also bring up the good works.

And now I have lived to see the day when, without any intended irony, someone actually made the argument that it's okay if you get away with killing someone, as long as you try really, really hard to make up for it afterwards.

God. All this hate, just because he didn't think to buy a VW Bug.

KelinciHutan wrote:

And now I have lived to see the day when, without any intended irony, someone actually made the argument that it's okay if you get away with killing someone, as long as you try really, really hard to make up for it afterwards.

What bothers me about this is that everyone seems to be saying "Well if I was in a car sinking in a lake with my friend, I'd save my friend." While we can say we'd do that, there's really no telling because we haven't been in that situation.

Nihilist wrote:

What bothers me about this is that everyone seems to be saying "Well if I was in a car sinking in a lake with my friend, I'd save my friend." While we can say we'd do that, there's really no telling because we haven't been in that situation.

No, I think most people are disturbed by the fact this man left the scene, returned to his hotel room, and did not call the authorities until 10AM the following morning.

Situations of life and death, whether it's your life on the line or not, is not a fucking easy thing (unless you suffer from a personality disorder).

Besides, haven't any of you been in a plane before? They even tell you that, in an emergency, you take care of yourself first and then attend to others.

Edit: Shock. Not everyone deals with it the same way.

Nihilist wrote:

KelinciHutan wrote:

And now I have lived to see the day when, without any intended irony, someone actually made the argument that it's okay if you get away with killing someone, as long as you try really, really hard to make up for it afterwards.

What bothers me about this is that everyone seems to be saying "Well if I was in a car sinking in a lake with my friend, I'd save my friend." While we can say we'd do that, there's really no telling because we haven't been in that situation.

I'm not saying that at all. I know I'd get out of the car and save myself. You can't do anything for anybody if you're dead. Avari makes a good point, though.

Still, I don't want to get into an argument that won't make any difference now, and I don't think anyone else does, either. It's all done and there is no undoing it.

Well, in that case, let me choose C).

KelinciHutan wrote:

And now I have lived to see the day when, without any intended irony, someone actually made the argument that it's okay if you get away with killing someone, as long as you try really, really hard to make up for it afterwards.

Well... yes. If someone was to blame for someone's death, or actually killed them without justification, and got away with it, then yeah I would generally prefer that they would repent and try somehow to make up for it.

Tell that to the family of Mary Jo Kopechne.

I'm sure they don't care what I think.

Anyway, I generally view it as better than the other options:

Go to jail, become a burden on the taxpayer, waste rest of life, OR kill self, ending any chance of doing something positive with your life.

KelinciHutan wrote:

I'm not saying that at all. I know I'd get out of the car and save myself. You can't do anything for anybody if you're dead. Avari makes a good point, though.

Still, I don't want to get into an argument that won't make any difference now, and I don't think anyone else does, either. It's all done and there is no undoing it.

Yeah... personally I'm not for starting an argument on this either. Agree to disagree?

Okay I'll say this and be done with it. With the Mary Jo incident. He tried to save her multiple times but couldn't. Went back to the party and got two people to help him and they tried to save her and couldn't. No I don't agree with him waiting hours afterwards to call the police but he was in shock.

No, I'm not justifying anything but all I'm saying is that he did try. What's in the past cannot be undone. Move the fuck on already.

KelinciHutan wrote:

Spotts1701 wrote:

As the Bard once wrote: "He was a man, take him for all in all, I shall not look upon his like again."

Some other things.

If you bring up the bad deeds, you must also bring up the good works.

And now I have lived to see the day when, without any intended irony, someone actually made the argument that it's okay if you get away with killing someone, as long as you try really, really hard to make up for it afterwards.

Oh for cryin' out loud...

Kelin, I didn't make that argument. I simply stated that if you're going to keep making mention of the bad things he did (which I did mention at the very beginning of that post when I called him a horrifically flawed man), that you have to mention the other things.

You know, balance.

Spotts1701 wrote:

Oh for cryin' out loud...

Kelin, I didn't make that argument. I simply stated that if you're going to keep making mention of the bad things he did (which I did mention at the very beginning of that post when I called him a horrifically flawed man), that you have to mention the other things.

You know, balance.

Given how much his knob had already been polished on the thread (aside: UGH!) this IS bringing the balance.

gaijinguy wrote:

Given how much his knob had already been polished on the thread (aside: UGH!) this IS bringing the balance.

Here, take this point.

I'm giving it to you because you obviously missed mine...again.

Spotts1701 wrote:

I simply stated that if you're going to keep making mention of the bad things he did (which I did mention at the very beginning of that post when I called him a horrifically flawed man), that you have to mention the other things.

You know, balance.

Just out of curiosity: does this rule go for every other person as well?

I would assume so.

I just hope none of the people who are practically dancing that Senator Kennedy is dead were the same ones who shrieked in fury when Nixon died, and anyone brought up Watergate; or when Ford died, and anyone mentioned him pardoning Nixon for Watergate; or when Reagan died, and anyone mentioned his Administration selling weapons to the Ayatollah, Saddam Hussein, and Central American death squads; or when Strom Thurmond died, and anyone mentioned he ran on a Segregationist platform at the same time he was banging his black house help.

That would be so shamelessly hypocritical.

I don't wish death on anybody, but I think Ted Kennedy was a total sack of shit and I'm not going to be crying over the loss anytime soon.

Trioculus wrote:

I just hope none of the people who are practically dancing that Senator Kennedy is dead were the same ones who shrieked in fury when Nixon died, and anyone brought up Watergate; or when Ford died, and anyone mentioned him pardoning Nixon for Watergate; or when Reagan died, and anyone mentioned his Administration selling weapons to the Ayatollah, Saddam Hussein, and Central American death squads; or when Strom Thurmond died, and anyone mentioned he ran on a Segregationist platform at the same time he was banging his black house help.

That would be so shamelessly hypocritical.

I hope none of the people bitching about people calling Kennedy a turd were the ones who brought up Watergate when Nixon died, or the people who mentioned Reagan's administration selling weapons to the Ayatollah, Saddam Hussein, and Central American death squads when Reagan died, or the people who mentioned Strom Thurmond ran on a Segregationist platform at the same time he was banging his black house help when he died.

That would be so shamelessly hypocritical.

Narwhal wrote:

I don't wish death on anybody, but I think Ted Kennedy was a total sack of shit and I'm not going to be crying over the loss anytime soon.

This is drunk, high-powered socialist who killed Mary Jo Kopechne will not be missed here. He can rot in hell.

I know I didn't. It's called "showing respect for the dead".

Look it up sometime.