Judge gives 30-day sentence to rapist.

Or rather, "seemed older than her chronological age."

CNN.com wrote:

A mother in Montana is outraged that a high school teacher who admitted raping her 14-year-old daughter received only a month in prison, while her daughter took her own life.

"I think this sentence is a joke, a travesty," the mother, Auliea Hanlon, told CNN on Tuesday night, a day after the sentencing.

"People will lose faith in our justice system. I have."

Hanlon said she was particularly upset that the sentencing judge, G. Todd Baugh, said her daughter "seemed older than her chronological age" and was "as much in control of the situation" as the teacher.

Baugh later acknowledged to CNN that "that was not the best choice of words."

Reader's Digest version of events:  In 2008, Stacey Dean Rambold - then 49 - confessed to having sex with the then-14-year old victim.  The victim killed herself in 2010, while the case was still ongoing.  With the death of their principal witness, the prosecutors agreed to "deferred prosecution agreement":  All charges would be dismissed if Rambold admitted to the underlying charge, completed a sex offender program and met certain conditions, one of which was no contact with children.  When Rambold was caught violating the "no contact" rule, the prosecutors threw the book at him - reinstating the charges and asking for 20 years.  But...

CNN.com wrote:

Baugh ruled that Rambold's infractions weren't serious enough.

"He made some violations of his treatment program," he said. "They were more technical and not the kind you would send someone to prison for."

He sentenced Rambold to 15 years in prison. Then, he suspended all but 31 days of the sentence, according to the Yellowstone County District Court.

 

Oh, and for added "This Motherfucker Right Here" factor:

CNN.com wrote:

He added, "I simply did not have the evidence to conclude that her taking her life was because of her sexual offense by Mr. Rambold."

Except he wasn't being charged with her death.  He was being charged with her rape.

And "her sexual offense?"  Really, asshole?

Seriously: fuck people.

Man I sure wish this kind of bullshit was the exception rather than the fucking rule. Uuuuuugh >.<

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Hanlon said she was particularly upset that the sentencing judge, G. Todd Baugh, said her daughter "seemed older than her chronological age" and was "as much in control of the situation" as the teacher.

Baugh later acknowledged to CNN that "that was not the best choice of words."

Okay, you get one chance to rephrase that in a less laughably stupid manner while keeping the central point intact.

You know what, three chances. Partly because I'm feeling generous, but mostly because I really want to hear what he thinks good choice of words would be.

Oh well, 31 days for STREET JUSTICE to do the judge's job for him.

Reepy wrote:

Man I sure wish this kind of bullshit was the exception rather than the fucking rule. Uuuuuugh >.<

First, it probably is, seeing as how otherwise there would be a thread like this every other day.

Second, maybe we should preemptively ban the judge for upsetting your fragile little heart.

CON is not a dump stat.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

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Hanlon said she was particularly upset that the sentencing judge, G. Todd Baugh, said her daughter "seemed older than her chronological age" and was "as much in control of the situation" as the teacher.

Baugh later acknowledged to CNN that "that was not the best choice of words."

Okay, you get one chance to rephrase that in a less laughably stupid manner while keeping the central point intact.

You know what, three chances.  Partly because I'm feeling generous, but mostly because I really want to hear what he thinks good choice of words would be.

Oh well, 31 days for STREET JUSTICE to do the judge's job for him.

Reepy wrote:

Man I sure wish this kind of bullshit was the exception rather than the fucking rule. Uuuuuugh >.<

First, it probably is, seeing as how otherwise there would be a thread like this every other day.

Second, maybe we should preemptively ban the judge for upsetting your fragile little heart.

CON is not a dump stat.

My favorite part is when Mikey comes into a thread about kids getting banged by adults and then tries to either defend the adult or the legal system that allows for kid diddlin' to happen without consequence (or at most a 30 day sentence)

Yeah, it is nice to have something we can all rely on.

Ok, MAYBE you could argue that you were a party and had sex with someone you thought was 18 and they ended up being 14.


But this guy was her teacher! There can't be any argument that he didn't know her age, or that he could have used his power over her to sleep with her. Sure, the rape might have not been set off by her getting raped, but he was a teacher who had sex with a underage student. That is all sorts of illegal and I'm really hoping that the rapist gets put into a coma before he can do this sort of thing to another child.

How can a person not tell, seriously?

A 14 year old is worlds different than an 18 year old...

Mentally, emotionally, if not necessarily physically

Mikey wrote:

CON is not a dump stat.

Unless you're a spellcaster. Then everything that isn't your primary spellcasting stat is a dump stat. Lrn2RPG.

Mr.Doobie wrote:

Mikey wrote:

CON is not a dump stat.

Unless you're a spellcaster. Then everything that isn't your primary spellcasting stat is a dump stat. Lrn2RPG.

... CON is never a dump stat.

CNN.com wrote:

A mother in Montana is outraged that a high school teacher who admitted raping her 14-year-old daughter received only a month in prison, while her daughter took her own life.

"I think this sentence is a joke, a travesty," the mother, Auliea Hanlon, told CNN on Tuesday night, a day after the sentencing.

"People will lose faith in our justice system. I have."

Hanlon said she was particularly upset that the sentencing judge, G. Todd Baugh, said her daughter "seemed older than her chronological age" and was "as much in control of the situation" as the teacher.

Baugh later acknowledged to CNN that "that was not the best choice of words."

Anyone else here think Judge Baugh deserves to be immediately and permanently kicked off the bench?

What a bastard.

Maximilia wrote:

Mr.Doobie wrote:

Mikey wrote:

CON is not a dump stat.

Unless you're a spellcaster. Then everything that isn't your primary spellcasting stat is a dump stat. Lrn2RPG.

... CON is never a dump stat.

The above statement is false. In DnD a wizard could have a score of 14 int and a 1 in everything else and as long as he has his party around him until level 12 or so he'll be destroying worlds by sneezing. As wizards are wont to do.

Mr.Doobie wrote:

Maximilia wrote:

Mr.Doobie wrote:

Mikey wrote:

CON is not a dump stat.

Unless you're a spellcaster. Then everything that isn't your primary spellcasting stat is a dump stat. Lrn2RPG.

... CON is never a dump stat.

The above statement is false. In DnD a wizard could have a score of 14 int and a 1 in everything else and as long as he has his party around him until level 12 or so he'll be destroying worlds by sneezing. As wizards are wont to do.

I'm not getting into an argument over this. Enjoy your wizard having 1 hp every level and being so fragile a sneeze could kill him.

Man the bare handful of extra hp a pure spellcaster is going to get for having higher con is not going to make a huge difference against higher level monsters. Unless you want to build a magic warrior type guy the best route to go is to make sure he never gets hit; high aoe, high range, high dmg. Why even play a spellcaster otherwise?

Man, min-maxing in an RPG is like demanding that you get bored of it sooner/get in a fight with your GM. CON 1 Magic-Users aren't as bullshit as INT 1 Fighters though. Unless you roleplay someone who actually doesn't understand verbal communication

edit: WIS 1 Judge

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Man, min-maxing in an RPG is like demanding that you get bored of it sooner/get in a fight with your GM. CON 1 Magic-Users aren't as bullshit as INT 1 Fighters though. Unless you roleplay someone who actually doesn't understand verbal communication

"Even if the Fighter's INT stat is 1, I'm not allowed to write 'this end towards baddies' on the blade of his sword."

Though my favorite is "When told to buff the elf, I know what that means and am not allowed to misconstrue it in any way."

Also, I'd like to take a moment to take all the glory for so thoroughly derailing this thread. I mean, I couldn't have done it without you ADD perma-nerds, but in the end, as always, all credit belongs to Mikey.  

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Man, min-maxing in an RPG is like demanding that you get bored of it sooner/get in a fight with your GM. CON 1 Magic-Users aren't as bullshit as INT 1 Fighters though. Unless you roleplay someone who actually doesn't understand verbal communication

edit: WIS 1 Judge

Unless your GM is just as good of a minmaxer as you are, then it's downright epic. I am proud to say my party is full of vicious minmaxers but Dryus, my monk/unarmed swordsage/cancer mage was able to take out the full HP party barbarian in one full round.

Good luck breaking through a fully stacked paladin buffed paladin who more or less has a good support in the back healing him as you try to wail on him, good luck. I don't care if you have a world ending mage, dat mitigation is basically this .

Paladins suck lol. At least in 3.5. But hey at least you get a free horsie.

Srsly, anyone who thinks their swordswinger is anything but downright adorable to most spellcasters needs to be guided firmly in the direction of the druid who does your job better and can still shoot fire out of their ass. And then they'll take the PrC Planar Shepherd and lol all the way to the bank.

And anyone who still has any ifs ands or buts to say please see the "Wish" spell. kthx.

And what cleric in their right mind would be healing anyone in combat for any reason? Gtfo my dungeon crawl.

Lost your virginity? Find it in this thread!

Reidmar wrote:

Good luck breaking through a fully stacked paladin buffed paladin who more or less has a good support in the back healing him as you try to wail on him, good luck. I don't care if you have a world ending mage, dat mitigation is basically this .

Reid, you crazy sonnuvabitch, that is just about the greatest picture ever.

Rogues, baby. Always the rogues.

Chicks dig the Sneak Attack and Trapfinding.

Fuck that. What comes right out of the box as shiny as a high-level druid? Nothing.

srsly, tho, it takes a fair bit of searching in supplements to build a thing that offers the same flexibility and thugpowa

rae wrote:

Fuck that. What comes right out of the box as shiny as a high-level druid? Nothing.

srsly, tho, it takes a fair bit of searching in supplements to build a thing that offers the same flexibility and thugpowa

(keep in mind I still think we're talking about 3.5)

Eh, I still think wizards, even if you're just using core, are more versatile just because their spell list is flat-out superior and more diverse than any other classes spell-list, and it doesn't exactly take a brilliant powergamer to realize that a wizard can have just about every spell on the list, which pretty much means they can do just about every job but tank. So yeah, a druid who prioritized Wisdom and Con can be a better tank than a wizard who prioritized Int and Con just through the magic of superior hit die. But at the same time a wizard who prioritized Int and Con CAN use polymorph to simulate the effect of a wildshape-tank druid, albeit a ghetto version. But at the same time a wizard has more skill points which makes them a far superior skill-monkey, so make of that trade-off what you will. It's probably down to personal taste.

Now if we're going supplements, though, I think my favorite build ever is my Diviner/Mindbender/Divine Oracle/Fatespinner. The key is only taking one level in Mindbender because that PrC is awful, but its first level is amazing because it gives you access to the Mindsight feat. That combined with everything else an oracle character can do is just flat-out, grade-A, DM-pulling-his-hair-out material.

Mr.Doobie wrote:

rae wrote:

Fuck that. What comes right out of the box as shiny as a high-level druid? Nothing.

srsly, tho, it takes a fair bit of searching in supplements to build a thing that offers the same flexibility and thugpowa

(keep in mind I still think we're talking about 3.5)

Eh, I still think wizards, even if you're just using core, are more versatile just because their spell list is flat-out superior and more diverse than any other classes spell-list, and it doesn't exactly take a brilliant powergamer to realize that a wizard can have just about every spell on the list, which pretty much means they can do just about every job but tank. So yeah, a druid who prioritized Wisdom and Con can be a better tank than a wizard who prioritized Int and Con just through the magic of superior hit die. But at the same time a wizard who prioritized Int and Con CAN use polymorph to simulate the effect of a wildshape-tank druid, albeit a ghetto version. But at the same time a wizard has more skill points which makes them a far superior skill-monkey, so make of that trade-off what you will. It's probably down to personal taste.

Now if we're going supplements, though, I think my favorite build ever is my Diviner/Mindbender/Divine Oracle/Fatespinner. The key is only taking one level in Mindbender because that PrC is awful, but its first level is amazing because it gives you access to the Mindsight feat. That combined with everything else an oracle character can do is just flat-out, grade-A, DM-pulling-his-hair-out material.

Mindbender is nothing compared to the OP that is the Factotum. It is just about the Bard on steroids in terms of utility. The Factotum is nigh-limitless compared to any other class and is just about the one class with a shiny MARTY-STU badge.

Well the only reason you would ever want to go Mindbender is a one level dip to access the Mindsight feat, so of course it's not as good as the Factotum. The point of my oracle character is that I essentially have a character that just by existing gives the party the benefits of not being able to be taken by surprise or lied to on top of being able to see the future. This essentially means that at a certain point it becomes impossible for the DM to manipulate the party without taking severe countermeasures which in this campaign has my DM already planning narrative-based swings of the banhammer for the sake of "no you cannot just reveal the Big Bad's entire plot and unravel every secret the Big Bad wants to keep. I don't care what it says in the rules." Which is fair. I just love this character and the flavor of being The All-Seeing Eye. On top of that I'm bringing just as much blasting/buffing power as any run-of-the-mill wizard AND I don't even have access to the school of evocation. Which is just plain crazy-talk for most people.

My opinion on this subject.