The English Defence League

Tl;dr: Check the video right at the end.

Did you know that England is under threat? Every day law-abiding, native British citizens are assaulted by Islamic extremism, sharia law, halal foods and burkas. Thankfully, there are those special few courageous people ready to place themselves on the front line of the war against Islamic extremism. Brave, valiant patriots who take to the streets to show the islamists that we shall not bow to sahria law! That we shall not be forced to consume halal products! And that we shall not be placed in burkas!

These brave people are the English Defence League. The glorious EDL.

Here, EDL spokesperson Ryan McGarvey explains why he, personally, is taking part in an EDL march.


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Dance version in the spoiler:

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Okay, I’ll dispense with the parody format now. The EDL is a collection of racists, football hooligans, neo-Nazis and varied far-right extremists. They are chronically misinformed, wilfully ignorant and blatantly racist. Every few weeks they head out into large towns and cities in the UK to ‘protest’ against extremist Islam, apparently under the impression that everyone else supports extremism and that the best way to defeat it is to waste public money by creating obscene police bills, causing great damage to public buildings and property and losing local businesses vast amounts of trade.

They have been around for almost three years now, and have protested in many major cities with large ethnic minorities such as Birmingham, Leeds, Luton, Liverpool and sections of London such as Tower Hamlets. I’ll get to the protests later, but first let’s look at the people who run and form the EDL. You’d be correct in thinking that the meme-spawning idiot in the video above is not typical of an EDL member. But he’s not far off.

This is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.

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He is most often known by his pseudonym: Tommy Robinson. The name ‘Tommy Robinson’ is an homage to a famous football hooligan in Luton in the mid 70’s

“Tommy” is an Ex-BNP member (The BNP, British National Party, is the current face of what was the British National Front. It is part of the last, dying remnants of far-right Nazi/fascist political parties in the UK) He had, prior to his creation of the EDL, convictions for resisting arrest, possessing cocaine and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, specifically on his then partner one Jenna Vowles.

In the spoiler is a video demonstrating how the EDL defend us from Islamic extremism, specifically in this case from a family take-away that serves Halal food:

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Let’s look at their ‘Mission Statement’ from their website: ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] )

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(1) HUMAN RIGHTS: Protecting And Promoting Human Rights

The English Defence League (EDL) is a human rights organisation

... says it all, doesn’t it. A ‘human rights’ organisation that performs as you’ve seen above. A ‘human rights’ organisation that encourages behaviour such as this:

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[The EDL was] founded in the wake of the shocking actions of a small group of Muslim extremists who, at a homecoming parade in Luton, openly mocked the sacrifices of our service personnel without any fear of censure.

Because: freedom of speech. The EDL have a problem understanding freedom of speech. It seems to boil down to “you have freedom of speech, so long as you don’t say anything we don’t like.”

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The EDL calls upon the Government to repeal legislation that prevents effective freedom of speech, for freedom of speech is essential if the human rights abuses that sometimes manifest themselves around Islam are to be stopped.

“I mean if we call people pakis or niggers, or claim loudly that any Muslim we meet is a pedo terrorist, we get arrested. It’s a two-tier system!”

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(2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia
The European Court of Human Rights has declared that ‘sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy’. Despite this, there are still those who are more than willing to accommodate sharia norms, and who believe that sharia can operate in partnership with our existing traditions and customs. In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is most definitely a threat to our democracy.

This is, of course, written under the assumption that not only are 4% of the population capable of overthrowing British law and substituting Sharia, but that this process is actually happening. They are often quoted as being opposed to Sharia Law courts operating in the UK. No such thing happens, we do, however, have Sharia reparation courts that deal with civil cases. We also have Beth Din reparation courts that cater to the UK’s Jewish population. These courts are rarely used because, surprise, surprise, they are atrociously unfair, outdated and mostly irrelevant.

United Shades of Britan has written a wonderful article addressing what steps would have to be undertaken in order to implement Sharia law in the UK: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

However, rather than listen to reason, or do some research into the topic, the EDL would rather assume that stunts like this (Daily Mail link, you have been warned)by extremist islamic groups (Specifically in this case Anjem Choudary and Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) an extremist group that can barely fill a minibus but serves as superb trollbait for the Mail and the EDL) somehow constitute actual changes in British law.

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the stealthy incursion of halal meat into the food industry, all demonstrate that sharia is already creeping into our lives.

Classic and typical, almost deliberate, misunderstanding of what Halal is. Something that Pam Geller is also promoting in her ludicrous Butterball Turkey ban you might be familiar with. ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) You’ll note the phrase “Stelth infiltration” remains the same.

Nothing has been done to your glass of water to make that Halal, for example. And Halal slaughter is no less, or more, humane than regular slaughter methods.

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(3) PUBLIC EDUCATION: Ensuring That The Public Get A Balanced Picture Of Islam
A central part of the EDL’s mission is public education.

I do not even need to touch this, do I? It’s blatantly clear that the EDL itself is vastly ignorant and uneducated itself over those very things it is most concerned with. They are ignorant to the absolute extreme.

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(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer

This refers to varied “Christmas has been banned” nonsense that often finds its way into desperately ignorant, xenophobic culture. It has no basis in reality. From British flags being banned from positions of prominence, to Christmas Trees being renamed to ‘Holiday Trees’. A simple google search will inform you of the truth behind this nonsense.

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(5) INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK: Working In Solidarity With Others Around The World

This, at least, is true. The EDL does have international links... Specifically with Anders Breivik, the islamophobic murderer of 69 youths at the Oslo Labour Party youth camp.

This article is getting pretty long now, so I’ll draw it to a close just now with a link to a video of Tommy Robinson being interviewed on BBC’s Newsnight following the Oslo attacks.

If you watch one video on this article, please make it this one, it includes excellent information on the EDL and is a wonderful piece of work.

This post is far from complete. Laughing at the EDL is possible, despite their horrific nature and performances. Future posts will include developments relating to the EDL and the newly-formed British Freedom Party, as well as some things to giggle about.

Till then: Please enjoy:

I used to live in Luton. Do you remember the story about the poor oppressed girl who was oppressively oppressed by her school as they wouldn't let her wear a headscarf? What they didn't tell you is that her school had a uniform hijab and the campaign was partially funded by racists to prove that Muslims and everyone else couldn't possibly live together. The fact that they chose to target a school that had been successfully integrating people from all religions and ethnic groups wasn't exactly an accident.

That story rings a bell, but I can't say I'm overly familiar with it. I can imagine had it not been painted in that light it would have taken the "Schoolchildren forced to wear Islamic uniform" path. I've seen that too.

Luton is a hotbed of this sort of stuff, and more often than not doesn't deserve it. The EDL was, originally, the United People of Luton, who were organised, specifically to 'counter-protest' the acts of Choudary and MAC (then Al-Muhajiroun) who were picketing and shouting at returning soldiers a-la Westboro Baptist.

There were links to Luton with the 7/7 bombings too which the EDL and the Islamophobic media likes to pick up on and exploit (The bombers parked up at Luton before catching the train to London. Clearly evidence that they all originated from Luton, and certainly not just a sign they they all met up there to catch the train) and one (count them: One!) extremist 'came' from Luton. (He didn't, he moved there to study for three years before moving back home to Sweden where he blew himself up) But little coincidences and forced connections are all people like the EDL and the Daily Mail/Express need to paint the whole of Luton as an Al-Qaeda training ground.

I know I was gonna mention the more recent events surrounding the EDL and the newly formed British Freedom Party, but I figured I can get in a few posts worth of giggles, conspiracy theories and just plain lunacy that the EDL indulge in.

The EDL is a nationalist movement, and as such they indulge heavily in the varied tropes that come with it.

The EDL are English and proud, so they say, and revere national symbols as though they were holy artefacts. The St George Cross is often revered by having the word “England” splashed across the middle of it (in case they forget what it means, I guess... I’ve never understood that design.) and is usually defaced with division names and EDL chants in the four corners of it.

Recently the Poppy has become a revered symbol. This particular symbol was adopted as a response to (once again) MAC deciding to burn some poppies during the national silence as a protest against war efforts against Islamic peoples. While many people were appalled by this action there is no law in the UK against being a giant, disrespectful prick, and although several MAC members were arrested they could only be charged with public order offenses (setting fire to stuff in the street) so, although the Judges words in each case did focus on the extreme levels of disrespect that MAC were showing, he could, obviously, only charge them with the actual criminal offenses they had committed. They were fined, on average, £50 each and released. This, of course, did not sit well with the EDL, (Who, by the way, commemorated the sacrifice of soldiers themselves by getting drunk out of their minds and attempting to drown out 8-12 Islamist prats by gathering in several groups of 50-or so and chanting football slogans and profanities over that self-same 2-minite silence.)

They also broke out this:
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Something you’ll see in following screenshots and quotes is that despite their pride in being English, and demand for the recognition of English customs, they have little time for the English language.

The EDL showed their pride and respect for fallen soldiers this year by holding a demonstration in Birmingham on the same day that the Royal British Legion was planning the launch of the poppy appeal, and celebrating their 90th year. Because of the disruption and disrespectful atmosphere the EDL would likely have brought with them, the RBL cancelled their event.

An RBL member took them to task on their Facebook page here:

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The response on the EDL’s ‘debate’ page was shocking:


In the words of a member of ARSE (The ARmy Rumour SErvice):

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It strikes me as odd that the edl bods have not worked out that our grandfathers fought to keep the likes of them in check.

As for their conduct on the day... Well...


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A few EDL members were convinced that they were unfairly treated, two-tier law system, and all that. It never occurred to them that the police might be reacting to posts in the EDL’s wall of this nature:

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Stay tuned... The next update will feature the wonderfully wacky adventures of Tommy Robinson! You will not believe this man!

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Recently the Poppy has become a revered symbol. This particular symbol was adopted as a response to (once again) MAC deciding to burn some poppies

Funnily enough, "mac" does mean "poppy" in Romanian. So from my perspective, they were burning themselves in effigy.

That's all I have to contribute, really.

Heard about these wasters before over the whole "Let's appropriate Rememberance Day for our own purposes" thing. And some email they circulated about EDF members being more harshly treated than those evil Muslims for the same crime (debunked by Snopes, can't find it though).

If they weren't assaulting people and damaging premises from time to time, it'd be laughable.

Sport are troops automatically made me think of the military (specifically the Army) kicking a ball around and shooting at each other.

And now, a most delightful video of a woman ranting and raving about evil immigrants taking over her country. While riding on the tram. With her son on her lap.

Highlights include "a load of facking Polish", "Moi Britain is fack aaall", and "You ain't Brih-ish, you black!"

Also, she's been charged.

Cyberwulf wrote:

And now, a most delightful video of a woman ranting and raving about evil immigrants taking over her country. While riding on the tram. With her son on her lap.

Highlights include "a load of facking Polish", "Moi Britain is fack aaall", and "You ain't Brih-ish, you black!"

Also, she's been charged.

The EDL have a fan page for her. I am not fucking kidding.

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I've been following this story pretty solid since Monday afternoon, debating wether to add it here or give her her own thread.

She has a few fan pages on Facebook too. The most popular of which has numerous postings of the 14 words.. Pretty much clears up the political ideologies of the people on it.

The whole thing is just shameful.

Still... We do try and have our laughs.

ETA: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! SOMEONE IS COMPARING HER TO ROSA PARKS. ROSA FUCKING PARKS!

WD40 wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

"You ain't Brih-ish, you black!"

ETA: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! SOMEONE IS COMPARING HER TO ROSA PARKS. ROSA FUCKING PARKS!

Comparing her to Rosa Parks sort of like you compare Superman to Bizarro, right? Right?

The adventures of Tommy Robinson is in the works, and should be up tomorrow.

Until then, this screenshot, taken from the EDL's Facebook page, needs no description or introduction and, I believe, is perfectly capable of speaking for both itself, and the people who 'liked' it.

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The adventures of Tommy Robinson.

Tommy and his friends went on a march in Blackburn in April 2011. Unfortunately, the nasty police men didn’t let them politely and peacefully discuss their differences with the assembled UAF (Unite against Fascism) demonstrators who had arrived to demonstrate against Tommy and his noble gathering of patriots.

Tommy knew that his gang needed to politely and peacefully discuss their differences with someone on the day, because all of his friends had been drinking heavily and snorting cocaine on the coaches to Blackburn to get them in the right mood and frame of mind for politely and peacefully discussing their differences. When the nasty police kept the EDL crammed in a car park, Tommy took action.

He got up on stage and made a moving and well thought through and thoroughly researched speech wherein he identified one member in the crowd as a grass and a traitor neo-nazi (hurr hurr). This gave the assembled EDL the opportunity they needed to politely and peacefully discuss their differences... With each other. A discussion that continued after the demo had officially ended and kept going right up to the group boarding their coaches to go home.

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Tommy himself headbutted the identified ‘neo nazi’, who turned out to be an ex-serviceman. He was arrested for assult and later given a suspended sentence, with the ASBO (Anti-Social Behaviour Order – kinda like a complex restraining order) condition that he refrain from attending any EDL demos for 12 months.

Tommy later denied having headbutted Mr. McKee, stating that the police were trying to ‘fit’ him up.

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“It’s a fit-up. They are fabricating evidence. I have had ongoing harassment. All this is about getting an Asbo that will ban me from demonstrations and protests. It is meant to be a democracy but this is a stitch-up.”

Later a member of the EDL’s Jewish division stated that he was appealing against the conviction, while also stating that the man he headbutted deserved to be headbutted anyway:

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By now Tommy had made a new bestest friend. Roberta Moore. Read about her in the spoiler.

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On the horizon now was the EDL’s march in Tower Hamets. A bourough of London with a large number of ethnic minorities and a large muslim population. The bouorgh was deliberately chosen purely to provoke the kind of peaceful discussion as demonstrated above (and, indeed, is demonstrated whenever more than half a dozen of EDL supporters get together) there was a vast movement in the antifa (antifascist) movements that saw a rare co-operation between the more pacifist, leaflet-handling, coffee morning organising Hope not Hate (of which yours truly is a member) and the more active, confrontational banner waving, slogan-shouting UAF . Such was the outcry and concern over the potential consequences of the demo that home secretary Teresa May outright banned the march.

After arriving in Kings Cross, only to discover that no one there would serve them, the groups drunkenly wandered through several London boroughs, prompting over 60 arrests, until eventually being helt in a static protest in a car park in Aldgate.

There, Tommy Robinson revealed his plan to sneak past the sahria-controlled police. He would enter the march incognito.

With the assistance of Roberta Moore, Tommy became a master of disguise. Entering the march like this:

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Yeah...

So, Tommy, having gained access to the stage thanks to his perfect disguise (BTW Police sources (stated at the time over Twitter ETC, unfortunately I don’t have screenies of them) have stated that they, of course, knew about Tommy’s action and deliberately held back just to see what he would say in order to add to the case against him... They were not disappointed) gave a speech:

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”EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM watching this on Youtube, on 7/7 you got away with killing and mainiming British citizens, you got away with it. You had better underestand that we have built a network from one end of this country to the other end, and we will not tolerate it, and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our citizens killed, maimed or hurt on British soil ever again."

Yeah... Tommy or, rather, Rabbi Benjamin Kiddimon, has blamed every single muslim in te UK for the horrific 7/7 attacks in London

Suprisingly enough, Tommy was arrested by the cops shortly afterwards. What with deliberate hate speech, breach of his bail conditions and whatnot. What with the two-tier system that lets Muslims off with everything but condemns anyone white with saying so much as “I wanna kill a paki!”

Following his arrest Tommy Robinson declared himself a political prisoner, and went on hunger strike as a protest against his unlawful incarceration.


I’ll repeat that.

Following his arrest Tommy Robinson declared himself a political prisoner, and went on hunger strike as a protest against his unlawful incarceration.

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a political prisoner is ‘someone who is in prison because they have opposed or criticized the government of their own country’.

For the record, Tommy Robinson was found guilty of common assault and was given an ASBO. He then broke the conditions of that ASBO while simultaneously giving what is defined under UK law as a ‘Hate Speech’ – In defiance of the Public Order At 1986, the Racial and Religous Hatred act 2006, the Criminal Justice and Immigration act 2008, and the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1996 .

Regardless, he began a hunger strike

He was released, once again, on police bail, four days later, amidst a wealth of EDL Facebook postings commending him on his hunger strike.

According to a source at the prison, however, Tommy’s strike lasted no longer than 24 hours and, when it was finally ‘broken’ on his release, Tommy celebrated with a meal at Nandos... A famously Halal food outlet.

A hunger strike you say? Quick, someone tell him that's what those filthy terrorist Paddies did in the H-blocks back in the 80s.

WD40 wrote:

The adventures of Tommy Robinson is in the works, and should be up tomorrow.

Until then, this screenshot, taken from the EDL's Facebook page, needs no description or introduction and, I believe, is perfectly capable of speaking for both itself, and the people who 'liked' it.

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After reading that, I now understand why Parliament opens its sessions with "God save the Queen"...who wouldn't need saving from these morally bankrupt and intellectually twisted lunatics?

Wow! I completely forgot that I was gonna introduce you to the British Freedom party.


This is the British Freedom Party

They are an off-shoot of the BNP and various other far-right political movements who have openly courted the EDL to boost their numbers and perceived popularity.

Quite why we need a political party openly supporting this is beyond me...

This is their "20-point Plan" (Absolutely not related to any form of bullet-point program used by other regimes. Nosiree)


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To me, all this demonstrates is the utter political naivete of the BFP. It also demonstrates that the BF do not know the difference between a "plan" and a "wishlist"


Nevertheless, I was on their Facebook page the other day and I spotted this rather intriguing conversation.


It's a BFP Question Time! Glorious!


Rather fantastically, a Mr. Chris West went through the plan point-by-point expressing his concerns.
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What caught my attention more, however, was the page admin's response.

Here it is... Along with a few comments from myself.
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"Although you appear to be a leftist [...] I think you deserve a response"

Apparently normal procedure in BFP politics is to utterly ignore comments from political opponents. :/

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"2, [...] EU Exit Strategies."

Give this a browse yourselves. I'll openly admit that I'm a complete newb when it comes to EU policies and this sort of thing. Pop your observations in the comments if you wish - I'm a working-class cis straight white male, everything everywhere is automatically catered to me (except for financial accessibility, that is) and nowhere in my life has a giant Euro flag jumped in to stop me from doing anything.

I just need some form of personal experience grounding before I can form a direct opinion on such a complex, vague issue.

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 "4) Would be fair if all UK citizens were banned from emigrating

Other countries' immigration policies are for them to decide,"

That's not the question being asked.

I'm also jumping ahead but point 20 is : “Do unto others as thou wouldst be done by.”

Perhaps it should be "Do unto others as thou wouldst be done by - unless you're an immigrant".

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5) The deportation of seditious Islamics? - there goes the free speech (nice contradiction) although criminals should be sent packing or ideally treated see point 8

Read more carefully - "seditious dual nationality Islamists" - we're not stopping them from being seditious, merely insisting that they do it in the other country.

I don't even need to comment, really do I? "We're not denying their right to free speech, but if they're a filthy mongrel they'll have to have their free speech somewhere else"

Amazing...

Now on to what is probably my favourite one: ISLAMISATION! 

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In Whitechapel Road, Tower Hamlets, all the restaurants are halal, and the bookshops Islamic. The banks (even Lloyds TSB) purvey Islamic bank accounts. There are unofficial sharia courts and women wearing burqas. Small mosques are proliferating, and the main East London mosque towers over the surrounding cityscape. On Friday, nobody - Muslim, Jew, Christian or atheist - can escape the call to prayer that blasts out from dozens of loudspeakers. Does that qualify as Islamisation? It's a pattern that is being repeated in many cities across the UK (though reportedly not in yours, lucky for you).

Now... Islamisation is, supposedly, the method by which a country is turned Muslim. What I'm seeing here is an example of areas with a high Muslim population (Bearing in mind that they make up a mighty 4% of the population) being catered to by the area in which they live.

That's not Islamisation - that's just being nice. My friend is gluten intolerant. His house is filled with gluten-free products and he buys from gluten free shops. I do not accuse him of being a promoter of Anti-glutenisation.

Restaurants are halal because Muslims would rather eat halal food, and resteraunts want to make money off them.

Islamic bank accounts are usually nothing more serious than an account without an overdraft. I have one. They are marketed as Islamic because the bank wants to court Muslim customers in an area with a high Muslim population. Unofficial Sharia courts are not legally binding and will mostly deal with civil matters anyway - (My Dad and my neighbour came to an agreement over their parking arrangements - this is not an "unofficial Parking court")

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Mosques 'tower over the cityscape'

- I hate the Gherkin but I wouldn't make it a political point to get my knickers in a twist over it.

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"On Friday, nobody - Muslim, Jew, Christian or atheist - can escape the call to prayer that blasts out from dozens of loudspeakers."

- And the church bells in my village disturb my lie-ins every freaking Sunday - It's ONE day! Get over it.

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 Does that qualify as Islamisation?

If it does it speaks more over your intolerance, ignorance and prejudice than it does of a dramatic, enforced religio-cultural  shift.

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Crime and severity of punishment does not go hand in hand. See the US as an example. Criminals need treatment, like an illness. Throwing people in prison costs society financially, breaks up families and causes repeat crime. Treatment of prisoners -Iceland as an example as some of the lowest crime rates in the world.

Not true, my brother-in-law once got mugged in Iceland, next to the frozen pies section.

Wow...

Amazing - Reply to a serious comment over the efficiency (or lack thereof) of the criminal justice system and the prison service in general with a shit joke.

TRULY THIS IS A POLITICAL PARTY OF THE FUTURE! 

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The only hope for long-term peace and stability in Britain is a common culture and a shared set of values.

Under the British Freedom Party you will have the right to conform.

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Wherever in the world incompatible cultures have lived in the same space they have ended up with conflict and bloodshed. We want to prevent that happening here.

Well, you're a bit too fucking late, aren't you? Also I'd challenge you to point out a single utopian society in this world where everyone is the same and no one had a big old ruck over anything.

Seriously, the BFP really need to join reality on this point. Maybe I'm biased because I fucking love multiculturalism. It's given me Tikka Masala, lasagne, Reggae-Reggae Sauce, chillie on carne, Rammstein, Rap, Reggae Reggae Music and more.

You honestly think the world would be better off without this stuff?

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14) How do you determine who should have aid and who shouldn't?

Well you can...

Woah there pilgrim!

What do you mean "Well you could..." Why are you guessing? Doesn't the party not already have these measuring criteria?

Huh, if this wasn't an actual political party I might assume that you've got your knickers in a twist over a popular point of contention and just screamed out "we must do something about this" as a way to ride the coattails of a popularist ideal without actually putting any thought into it..

But I'm sure that's not the case!

Anyway, continue with your guesswork. Who knows? It might actually become policy.

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apply criteria such as: i. Is the country in question already wealthy as evidenced by, e.g. a space programme or thousands of millionaires?; ii. Is the country so corrupt that aid money is likely to end up in the pockets of crooked bureaucrats or criminals?; iii. Would we be able to help the country better by sharing our expertise in farming, industry and so on instead of throwing cash at them?

So - If a government is spending ludicrous amounts of money on it's richest people, and investing in extravagant, expensive projects whilst neglecting their populace, we should withdraw our aid, thereby almost certanly dooming that neglected populace to starvation, further exploitation, further neglect and all the happy packages that come along with it?

Wow... I know you're into the whole biblical justice thing (Do unto others etc). I've heard of "turn the other cheek" but I can't remember a bible passage teaching one to "turn the blind eye"

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We want to ban [drugs] and to ensure that the ban is properly enforced.

Erm... Aren't they already illegal?

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20)Why bring religion into this?? Better rule for the Atheists - ' Don't be a dick ' humans don't need the bible to tell them whats right and wrong. If you think your being a dick, generally you are.

"Do unto others as thou wouldst be done by" is a nicer way of saying "Don't be a dick."

You'll note that Chris's point was to avoid bringing religion into politics. That's why he was objecting to the bible passage. After all, according to Leviticus I should have been stoned to death many many times over in my lifetime. The bible is a god-awful (hurr) book to be basing your laws on, because of all the interpretation going on. Don't forget, this is the same argument your new friends constantly spew over the Koran.

Well... There you have it. You'll note that Chris's comments on points 1, 3, 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 are all ignored. Regardless of the rather significant and important points made in them.

But, to be honest, they don't need to be addressed, do they? You now know what the BFP are all about...

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Personally I love the "Do unto others" bit. It adds such a deliciously orgasmic splash of irony-sauce to the whole manifesto.

I particularly love 15 & 16.

15: End welfare payments to immigrants
16: Ensure no elderly person lives in fear and afford both heat and food in the winter.

What if the elderly person is an immigrant? Or do immigrants just disappear into the ether or fuck off back to Terroristtowelheadstan when they hit retirement age?

#15: You are only allowed welfare if you were squeezed out of a british vagina

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#15: You are only allowed welfare if you were squeezed out of a british vagina

But...but what if your daddy had a Muslim cock?

Is it just me, or does the BFP sound a lot like the American Teabaggers?

Hot Cancer wrote:

I particularly love 15 & 16.

15: End welfare payments to immigrants
16: Ensure no elderly person lives in fear and afford both heat and food in the winter.

How much do you want to bet half these guys (A)are abusing the welfare system themselves and (B)would mug the elderly for a Mars bar if they had a mind to?

Chris91 wrote:

Hot Cancer wrote:

I particularly love 15 & 16.

15: End welfare payments to immigrants
16: Ensure no elderly person lives in fear and afford both heat and food in the winter.

How much do you want to bet half these guys (A)are abusing the welfare system themselves and (B)would mug the elderly for a Mars bar if they had a mind to?

They've certainly got form for abusing systems out there designed to help Joe Regular.

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(This is one of my favourite EDL stories)

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Seventy-eight supporters of the English Defence Leage have recently filed claims for whiplash-related injuries during a coach crash.

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Unfortunately the vehicle involved in the accident has only 57 seats, according to the coach firm. Moreover there were only 25 passengers on the bus at the time of the accident. Gateshead-based Caris Coaches is now considering legal action for fraud,

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When asked how many could have received their injuries, Mr Caris stated that the whiplash-like injuries could have easily been sustained at the rally they were attending. The spokeswoman added that since the rally ended with violent clashes with the authorities, the EDL supporters could have been injured if they had been involved with the violence with the police in Preston.

The driver of the coach expressed amazement at how any of the passengers were injured in last month’s crach. Cristopher Cartwright stated that there was barely a scratch on the coach’s back corner.

Just Chipper wrote:

#15: You are only allowed welfare if you were squeezed out of a british vagina

But only if that british vagina was squeezed out of another british vagina, or at least some vagina that doesn't come from those dirty brown foreigners. The white foreigners, though, those are swell. Unless they're gingers.

Exodia's Right Leg wrote:

Just Chipper wrote:

#15: You are only allowed welfare if you were squeezed out of a british vagina

But only if that british vagina was squeezed out of another british vagina, or at least some vagina that doesn't come from those dirty brown foreigners. The white foreigners, though, those are swell. Unless they're gingers.

Or polish. Those guys are white as fuck. Platinum white. There steeling are jobs though so chuck 'em out I guess.

So... The BBC’s World Service radio did a bit on Anders Breivik’s court case the other day. On the show they invited Park Dietz, a forensic scientist and criminologist who has been involved with the Unibomber case, the New York Zodiac case and the case of Jeffrey Dahmer amongst others; Matt Carr, journalist and blogger and criminal Psychologist David Holms – among several others.

I can imagine the BBC’s “Broadcasting Balance” department looking at this program and applying their usual logic to it thinking: “Who do we have who will fight Breivik’s corner?”

So - Tommy Robinson was invited onto the BBC.

The whole thing is about an hour long and is available for the moment in its entirety here (Look for Monday 16th April) EDL News, however, has isolated a 15 min section featuring Tommy’s input here.

From the moment Tommy is introduced, from the point he addresses the show’s host as “mate”, it is clear that Tommy is so far out of his depth that it’s almost cruel. While the other commentators are exploring the effect of Breivik’s trial on society and culture as a whole, over the impact not of his actions but of his reasoning, Tommy is reduced to blurting out the same, tired nonsense he’s been using for the last 3 years.

This is probably the most telling interview with Tommy I’ve ever listened to and it is a testament to one man’s utter refusal to learn.

Listen along with me.


0.48

Quote :

“I think we’re playing out what he wants to play out”

– This is blatantly not Tommy’s own opinion on the court case, I doubt he even has one. What he is doing here is parroting the catchline summary evaluation of anyone involved with this particular gruesome circus.

The build up to Breivik’s grand defence has been going on for ages and this assumption was made, agreed upon and accepted as a necessary evil in the process of trying Brevik months ago – indeed within the weeks following his arrest and the publication of his “manifesto”.

It’s not as though parroting a pre-prepared statement is new ground for Tommy. We’ve seen it time and time again with the hollow condemnation he repeated almost verbatim around the time of the massacre happening (See the interview with Parkinson for that) as well as his use of Breivik’s Manifesto as a sort of “shield” to defend his organisation (Again see Parky and the Big Question segment)

1.30 – Ross Atkins asks Tommy to expand on the “facts” about Islam agreed to by both Brevik and the EDL as a whole (or rather the “Counter-Jihad” network in its entirety

Ross doesn’t have to work hard to get Tommy to admit that he agrees with the hate-filled, bigoted nonsense that appears on those websites – websites that inspired Breivik’s actions.

Quote :

“There’s been 270 million people killed in the name of Islam.”

Tommy gives no time-scale or area of operations for this cliam, nor does he give us a source. He just blurts it out there.

It took me a while to find the source of this claim and, to be honest, I’m still not sure that I have. But I have found some clarification. The original quote and source material puts the 250 million figure as spanning over the entire history of Islam, give-or-take 1400 years. That actually works out at nearly 180,000 deaths every year! Surely we’d have noticed?The figure is ridiculous – as it its source. It is handily debunked by this fellow to whom I am very grateful.

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“There’s been 18,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 in the name of Islam”.

I’ll leave this to Loonwatch. They’ve already tackled this sort of claim again and again and again .

Wikipedia isn’t a great source of info – but it’s better than wherever this 18,000 figure came from. By my math that’s 1,800 terrorist attacks on average per year. There are a lot fewer than 1,800 terrorist attacks, period, listed across that decade in this article.

Hell. That works out at nearly 1,800 terrorist average per year. That’s nearly 5 terrorist attacks (4.9) each day, every day for a whole decade!! o.0

Quote :

“There is not one country in which Islam has ever coexisted.”

There is not one country in which people have ever coexisted, Tommy.

Quote :

“I’m not saying it’s all Muslims”

Bullshit.

Quote :

“Everyone’s being suppressed [...] because of political correctness.”

The EDL is celebrating it’s 3rd successive year of taxpayer-funded police supervised marches and demonstrations. Tommy has been on Newsnight at least twice, he has been interviewed many many times by newspapers, magazines and radio shows, he has had at least two full documentaries based on him or his organisation, not a month ago he was on the BBC’s Big Question religious-themed debate show and he is telling us that his freedom of speech is being suppressed WHILE ON THE BBC WORLD SERVICE!

He is a fucking idiot.

(It’s worth pointing out that the group responsible for spurring Tommy into action in Luton in 2009, MAC/Islam4UK/Al-Majjouroon IS proscribed – effectively stifling the free speech of Sayful Islam and Anjem Choudary)

3:55 – After hearing a response from Sweedish journalist Lisa Bjurwald, Tommy jumps back in defending his organisation. He doesn’t like being called “Far Right” – and proves his point by stating that the Met doesn’t consider them “Far Right”.

Thanks for that Tommy – Everyone has seen you in action, heard your arguments and is capable of deciding your political (read: racist) leanings from that alone. We don’t need the Met’s seal to make it official.

He then goes on to point out that Mohamed Merah quoted the Koran in his videos. I don’t know why he made this point, we’re talking about Breivik’s court case, remember. Unless he’s pointing out that nutters exist who will use certain texts out of context to rationalise their horrific crimes... Hmm?

5.02 – Lisa retorts:

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“Don’t try to cover up the truth because anyone can go to one of your demos and see what you mean”.

I was a little worried here – This is the same direction that The Big Question went in and it’s a conversational tactic that Tommy excels in (although mostly through his own incompetence rather than intent, I’d say) namely: Diverting the subject. By gibbering on, he pulls the conversation away from the topic at hand, and turns it into seeming assaults on the EDL and their behaviour. He then throws a tantrum claiming that the EDL can’t do anything without being criticised, and BOOM, he’s avoided discussing the actual issue, and has gotten more meat for him to throw to his baying sycophants.

However – Tommy instead says something so mind-meltingly stupid it buried him, his credibility (what little there was) and his worth on the show:

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“Can you tell me how old was Mohammad when he married Aisha?”

I have no idea how we got to this from highlighting the EDL’s far-right views and behaviour at demonstrations, but hell – we’ll run with it.

Quote :

“He was [73/63 – unsure] and she was 6”.

Mohammad died at the ripe old age of 63. He was probably in his early to mid 20’s when he was betrothed – not married - to Aisha.

Aisha’s young age is a point of contention with the EDL – and with some Islamic scholars.

Some argue that her young age was stated in order to highlight her virginity – only a virgin bride would be pure enough for the Prophet. Others point out that child brides were common at the time and that even the Virgin Mary wouldn’t have been much older than 11-13 when she gave birth. It’s just how things were back then. (It wasn’t that uncommon not too long ago, Shakespeare’s Juliet was, specifically, 13 years old)

Idiots, however, know that PEDOS ARE BAD, and will retroactively apply 21st century ideals of acceptable marriage age on a man from 600AD and use it as a reason to hate Muslims.

Atkins pulls the topic back, however, before Tommy can answer Lisa’s question over why getting all het up over Mohammad’s bride is applicable to a mini-discussion of the EDL’s behaviour within a wider discussion of a murder trial in Norway. Which I was really disappointed in, this is the first time I believe that Tommy has pulled the “Mohammad was a pedo” line on a national discussion show – but we’ve got more to go.

Park Dietz, and later Lisa, go on to describe the cultural isolation and disenfranchisement that Brevik feels, which heightened his deranged worldview, causing him to identify a boogyman to blame his feelings on – eventually settling on multiculturalism, which he then extrapolated into a reason to murder children.
David Holmes then joins and also highlights a similar point. As well as highlighting that Breivik’s points, mad though they are, will be used as inspiration for others in the Counter-Jihad movement.

Matt Carr then adds to the discussion, highlighting Breviks’ praise of the EDL. To which Tommy responds in a ludicrously schoolboy fashion, once again showing him up to be the scared, isolated, uninformed and wilfully ignorant fool he is.

12:22 –

Quote :

“I would just like to ask Matt where are you from? Where have you been brought up?”

He tried exactly the same tactic on The Big Question, remember.

He’s Tommy Robinson, and he’s had it harder than everyone else. That’s about the extent of his argument. He can’t answer Breivik’s support and praise of the EDL so he’s just gonna criticise Matt as a person, because there is no way Matt has had it as bad as Tommy.

This is what is called an Ad Hominem attack. It has a Latin name because we’ve known that the tactic is bullshit for thousands of fucking years.

I love that you can hear Matt stifling a laugh or a harrumph during Tommy’s rant.

And finally Lisa sums it all up by pointing out that Breivik’s views are not isolated, that Tommy demonstrates them perfectly.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is that.

Tommy Robinson: A man with all the political savvy of a bully in a primary school playground. Featuring such rebuttals as pulling stuff clean out of his arse, deflecting the issue to something else entirely, “yeah but look what he did!”, “I’ve had it harder than you” and finally a full blown, pouty-lipped rant.

This is what I’ve always heavily suspected, but I have not seen it so wonderfully demonstrated. Tommy, when not surrounded by other like-minded, hateful halfwits, is ludicrously out of his depth. He is an idiot. When it is pointed out to him that his groups actions cause community tension and dissolution he brushes it aside – not for any ideological reason, but because he simply doesn’t understand it, and doesn’t want to. That would take effort. Effort in understanding that the world is more complex than him and his drunken “army” shouting in the face of brown boogymen. Boogymen who he has built up in his own head, creating rhetoric, rumour and hyperbole that he himself has thought up.

Long post is long but there's a few more things to post regardin the EDL and the British Far Right's responce to Breivik's case.

Remember the leader of the EDL's Jewish Division: Roberta Moore? Well...

This is from her newest Blog entitled: Anders Breivik, The Kangaroo Court and The Lies of The Left

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"Anders Breivik is a child murderer": Firstly, what happened on Utoya was regrettable, but those to blame are those who held the rally, the Labour Youth and the Norwegian government. Breivik killed nobody under the age of 14 in the shootings, they were young adults. The rally at Utoya was certainly no "kids day out" it was an Far Left indoctrination weekend, set on a picturesque island, only the day before those attending were holding "Boycott Israel" banners to show the cameras. You tell me what "child" attends political meetings? You tell me what "child" is classed as an up and coming Politician? They were not children, they were young adults. I hold the same amount of sympathy for the those on Utoya as I would if somebody committed this act on a Hitler Youth camp in the 1940's, or were they just "children" as well?

And this is a Tweet from the official twitter account of the British Freedom Party:

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Fucking amazing...


But it's not all outstanding stupidity and hopeful support of a mass murder. Monday saw one of the greatest public attacks on the EDL I have ever seen. And it all started with this from Tommy Robinson's own Twitter feed:

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Amazed at the stupidity of Tommy's tweet, Comedian and Youtube vlogger Dick Coughlan called for the continuing exploitation of the #Creepingsharia hashtag.

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The tag is still going strong now. But the icing on the cake - the cherry on the top of Tommy Robinsons ignorance, stupidity and utter fail? The Mosque on the front page of twitter that fateful day?

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The Taj Mahal.

Thankyou and goodnight.

WD40 wrote:

The Taj Mahal.

Haha, nice.