So actually molesting children is a bad thing...

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A 170-page manual explaining step by step how to molest children which police in Orange County, Fla., believe has been circulating there for months, is not illegal. Investigators have stated that they still want to know where it came from.

Of course it's Florida, where all the sunshine bakes everyone's brains

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The manual, which was apparently written by someone who calls himself "the mule," is a how-to of child molestation, even explaining where and how to find potential victims, the station reported

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Among the many disturbing topics covered in the book is how to convince a victimized child not to tell his or her parents.

"People who are engaged in the exploitation of children are talking about these things, and how to avoid law enforcement," Seminole County Sheriff's Office Sgt. Dan Purcell told TV station WESH-TV in Orlando.

So obviously this would fall within the purview of obscene material, right?

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Graves told WFTV that it is not a crime in Orange County to send the manual by e-mail or to possess it, but local and federal investigators are trying to track down where the manual initially came from.

Of course not, Florida. Of course not.

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Deputies believe whoever is responsible may have committed crimes against children.

Wow, I bet that took the department all THREE of their collective brain cells to deduce that!

Considering this is the state that upholds your rights to fuck animals, I am not surprised.

In other news, Paladin Press sales from the state of Florida increased 5000% percent.

XLT-100852.0 wrote:

Considering this is the state that upholds your rights to fuck animals, I am not surprised.

Wh-what-?

I knew Florida was ass-backwards, but fucking animals?

Where's that GIF of Bugs Bunny sawing off Florida when you need it?

the asylum wrote:

Where's that GIF of Bugs Bunny sawing off Florida when you need it?

It's dangerous to go alone! Take this with you.

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the asylum wrote:

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Deputies believe whoever is responsible may have committed crimes against children.

Wow, I bet that took the department all THREE of their collective brain cells to deduce that!

This isn't the department's fault. Spotts will probably have a more complete comment, but a how-to manual on committing a crime is not the actual crime. However, if the cops can track down the author, then they will probably be able to dig up a crime he's committed and possibly toss him into prison forever. Furthermore, they may be able to get him to tell them about crimes that were committed by people using his manual, which would prove that it is "speech that incites violence" and that is illegal.

Basically, I don't think the cops are the people you can fault for this. The state legislature on the other hand...

I feel like I've heard of this before. There was prolly a law and order on it. But look, if NAMBLA has a right to exist, the KKK has a right to exist, etc etc, what makes you think this wouldn't? Its terrible, but I'm so unsurprised. Gross as it is, it's only a document.

Freezer wrote:

In other news, Paladin Press sales from the state of Florida increased 5000% percent.

What's that? *noobish*

Anyone else reminded of NAMBLA? Or those creepy-ass 'nephi' fics from Asstr.org?

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But look, if NAMBLA has a right to exist, the KKK has a right to exist, etc etc, what makes you think this wouldn't? Its terrible, but I'm so unsurprised. Gross as it is, it's only a document.

To me, the key point here is that it's a document about how to pull off a crime involving the molestation or abduction of a child. No, a molester couldn't blame his/her actions entirely on the thing -- it didn't "make" him/her do anything -- but could this document be responsible for a molester completing and getting away with a crime that he/she might otherwise have not gotten away with? That's food for thought.

Do you have the "inciting to commit a crime" laws in the US, or is that one of those freedom-of-speechy things that people get all grumpy over?

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Do you have the "inciting to commit a crime" laws in the US, or is that one of those freedom-of-speechy things that people get all grumpy over?

With books it's a bit of a grey area. S/he's not TELLING people to go rape kids. Just how they could if they'd really wanted to. Otherwise you could have people who write books with serial killers being sued/placed in jail because someone thought it was a great idea after reading their novel.

ZoZo wrote:

Do you have the "inciting to commit a crime" laws in the US, or is that one of those freedom-of-speechy things that people get all grumpy over?

Incitement is not protected speech, but I think that the speech has to be proven to have been intentionally inciting. Which is why shock jocks can say all the stuff they do.

That's pretty much why I think the cops want to get to the author of this thing. If they can link him and this manual to an actual crime, then the manual is no longer covered as protected speech and can be confiscated/burned/cursed or whatever the next step is in the chain. There are probably other ways to connect those dots, but I suspect that this is simpler and may give the police access to more of the people who have a copy of it (assuming that this guy kept any kind of record of who he emailed it to, which may not be the case, but it's a reasonable possibility).

Malganis wrote:

Freezer wrote:

In other news, Paladin Press sales from the state of Florida increased 5000% percent.

What's that? *noobish*

These guys. The lawsuit over Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors is probably the source for the L&O case Jesus was talking about.

And to answer ZoZo's question: Hit Man was ruled not-protected speech, so it's dubious protections probably wouldn't survive if it moved beyond Florida.

I believe Dean Winchester put it best when he said "So much effed up crap happens in Florida."

I've got a hunch what next month's L&O:SVU is going to feature. . .

gaijinguy wrote:

I've got a hunch what next month's L&O:SVU is going to feature. . .

I think SVU actually already did an episode on something a lot like this - IIRC, it was a website that showed porn involving child abduction/rape, made using actresses who were made to look younger digitally. So it wasn't covered by child porn laws, but Our Heroes tried to prove that the site owners incited a paedophile to re-offend (not just from him reading their stuff, but from them spamming him with ads after he asked them not to). (They lost, freedom of speech won.)

Much as we'd like it, it's not a crime. Just as it's not a crime in and of itself to possess a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook, or to download material on how to design or manufacture bombs. Because in all of these cases, there is some legitimate research value in the material.

Now if someone used this material in the commission of a crime...well, it still may not be illegal. It would be damning evidence in court, for sure. But then you get into balancing tests, etc.

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Regardless, Amazon will not remove the book from its store, and has told us “Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.” It remains available for sale and download.

Meanwhile,

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Offensive Material
What we deem offensive is probably about what you would expect. Amazon Digital Services, Inc. reserves the right to determine the appropriateness of Titles sold on our site.

Oh Amazon

Stay classy.

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Offensive Material
What we deem offensive is probably about what you would expect. Amazon Digital Services, Inc. reserves the right to determine the appropriateness of Titles sold on our site.

Oh Amazon

Stay classy.

That's mainly because of their agreement with Apple on certain technological aspects (such as allowing some Kindle downloads to cross-platform to the iPad). Apple is virulently anti-porn.

Meanwhile, the censorship goons get their way.

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"Every time you see (pedophiles) on television, they are either murderers, rapists or kidnappers," he said as reason for publishing the book. "And you know, that's just not an accurate presentation of that particular sexuality."

WHAT WOULD BE AN "ACCURATE PRESENTATION" OF GROWN MEN WHO LIKE TO DIDDLE LITTLE KIDS?[/capslock rage]

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"Every time you see (pedophiles) on television, they are either murderers, rapists or kidnappers," he said as reason for publishing the book. "And you know, that's just not an accurate presentation of that particular sexuality."

WHAT WOULD BE AN "ACCURATE PRESENTATION" OF GROWN MEN WHO LIKE TO DIDDLE LITTLE KIDS?[/capslock rage]

Look at it this way. The NAMBLA freaks and pro-pedos (really, the grand majority of banned sexualities) consider their group the future gay: reviled and criminalized, but perfectly natural and will grow to be accepthed in time after struggle. He's basically comparing pedophile reps in the media like the way gays used to be repped- kidnappers and rapists. Which has some merit-not all pedos are child molestors or up for actual rape, kidnapping, and murder. But it's not the same, they know it, and this dick should know better.