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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:28 am
Rabid Badger wrote:
Actual List of the 50 countries that Comprise the European Union:
Turkey
I don't want to open a can of worms here or anything, but..... well, Turkey is most certainly not part of the EU. I would know. People around here would not be pleased at all if something major like this were decided without them knowing. And that's understating it.
Jay/Cris The Word Police
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:43 am
The Scientist wrote:
Rabid Badger wrote:
Actual List of the 50 countries that Comprise the European Union:
Turkey
I don't want to open a can of worms here or anything, but..... well, Turkey is most certainly not part of the EU. I would know. People around here would not be pleased at all if something major like this were decided without them knowing. And that's understating it.
Perhaps it's a wishlist? Or a list from an alternate universe where the European Union isn't caught with the massively stupid and where they don't blithely say no to the very strategic ally that is Turkey?
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Nevvy Sporkbender
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:19 am
Maybe they got Turkey mixed up into that list because Turkey takes part in the Eurovision Song Contest. Though the drama involved in that is even greater than that of decision making in the EU... well, at least if you trust the tabloids.
Dixie Sporkbender
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:56 am
Turkey is, at least partly, in Europe but being in Europe does not equal being a member of the EU. I think Badger just got her terminology wrong.
Rabid Badger And This is Why I Need Medication
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:52 pm
WD40 wrote:
Rabid Badger wrote:
WD-40, will you e-marry me?
Of course! But only if we can e-honeymoon on the set of the Avengers movie.
Of course we can, dear
And yeah, I was thinking they were a bit out of date with Black Panther's worst enemy, but I couldn't find my son's copy of The Marvel Encylopedia. By my own estimate, I don't think Pretorious has figured much in T'Challa's history since the early 80s.
Badger also wishes to apologize for including Turkey in the EU, though, in all fairness, it was on the list I googled when looking for members of the European Union. I didn't realize the EU was not the same as Europe (it's not my fault I'm geographically challenged-I only recently realized that apparently there's an upper Midwest and a lower Midwest. At least that's what the guy on The Weather Channel claims)
WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:36 pm
You know a few posts back I mentioned that it was odd that a Christian group was really concerning itself with th correct representation of an avatar of a pagan religion?
See! Turns out the Star of Bethlehem was actually the aftermath of the spectral destruction of ancient Asgard. Won't learn that in Sunday School I can tell you!
TheIan Armbiter of Good Fanfiction
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:44 pm
WD40 wrote:
You know a few posts back I mentioned that it was odd that a Christian group was really concerning itself with th correct representation of an avatar of a pagan religion?
See! Turns out the Star of Bethlehem was actually the aftermath of the spectral destruction of ancient Asgard. Won't learn that in Sunday School I can tell you!
I will never look at the Nativity Scene the same way ever again.
Aggie Armbiter of Good Fanfiction
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:07 pm
Rabid Badger wrote:
All the other very real problems we have in the world, and these guys have their boxers in a bunch over a group of fictional characters from a comic. The mind-it boggles.
I suppose we should be grateful that they're wasting their time being racist on behalf of a fictional world and not pestering anyone in the real one.
Rabid Badger And This is Why I Need Medication
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:17 pm
TheIan wrote:
WD40 wrote:
You know a few posts back I mentioned that it was odd that a Christian group was really concerning itself with th correct representation of an avatar of a pagan religion?
See! Turns out the Star of Bethlehem was actually the aftermath of the spectral destruction of ancient Asgard. Won't learn that in Sunday School I can tell you!
I will never look at the Nativity Scene the same way ever again.
Odd. I don't remember any of my Sunday School teachers mentioning THAT when we had the yearly lesson about Jesus' birth.
Maybe God destroyed Asgard because they were Heathens?
WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:01 pm
Pretty poor excuse to Bump this thing again, but I’ve been following Boycott-Thor.com and there’s been a few lulzy posts.
There’s a post about how much ‘Media Attention’ the site has gathered, and really, it’s only gathered attention from hardcore racists, the CCC itself and people like me, a combination film academic and comic nerd, (I feel really weird describing myself as a film ‘Academic’ now, I don’t really fulfil my own personal idea of what an ‘academic’ is, I’m just a guy who just really likes blarbing on about Godzilla, The Planet of the Apes and Scott Pilgrim...) Hell, if there was a way to work in a video game and a wrester, I could probably dedicate my entire scholastic career to this thing.
Anyway...
Another post is about how Marvel’s film, which, I’ll say it again, is its own intellectual property, and is based upon the money-making schemes of a particularly imaginative Jew, suffering from writers block in the 1960s, based extremely loosely on the pagan ramblings of a bunch of tanked, homicidal, barbarians, is in fact, get this, "re-write[ing the] entire history of Northern Europe."
FUCK ME! That is some influential cultural artefact we’re dealing with here. I mean, it’s not as though the Avengers movie still has working, accepted scripts that don’t feature Thor at all, and the this film is little more than some sparkly fireworks to bridge the gap between Iron Man 2 and Captain America... Jeez!
But the one I want to focus on is the one aspect that Boycott-Thor and the CCC is really interested in. We can’t ever forget that Marvel produced, and continues to produce, a character who stands up for himself and his people, beats off his oppressors against enormous odds, takes a sensitive but relevant contemporary political stance and explores both it’s strengths and its weaknesses in order to provide the followers of his adventures an insight into what would otherwise be a complex and intimidating intellectual, social and political arena.
So, am I talking about Spider-Man, Captain America, Black Panther or the X-Men?
Of course it’s Black Panther, gawdammit he’s BLAAAAAACCKKKK!
The article focuses on the recent Black panther cartoon, which Boycott-Thor calls: “Marvel’s viciously anti-White [...] cartoon.”
Now, I’m gonna have to confess to not knowing much about Black Panther. Seriously, He had like 2 pages in Civil War, (when he told Reed to phone Sue because, OMG their marriage was on the rocks, AGAIN!) and since then he’s been filling in as Daredevil, (another comic I don’t read) because daredevil is evil now... Apparently...
[as an aside, the Shadowlands arc that covers this also produced the most hilarious team-up I’ve seen in ages: Ghost Rider, Punisher, Moon Knight and... wait for it... Spider-Man. HA-HA!! One of these things is not like the others!]
However, when I saw the trailers for the Back Panther cartoon, I really wanted to see it, even of only to see if the show itself matched the intro:
(Protip: It doesn’t... It looks, for the most part like a poor flash cartoon... (a really, really poor flash cartoon) but in its favour, it’s damn well written and acted, I guess...)
However, watching this is a problem to me, as it only ever aired in Australia, and has only appeared in other countries online, and under a different title. This before it’s appearance on BET.
But, let’s pretend, as Boycott-Thor wants us to, that this show aired in every country everywhere, and was seen by everybody, especially those vulnerable, impressionable white childrens who don’t yet know how nasty those strange black folks can be. What with their sex drives and notion of equality and so forth.
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We told you earlier how Marvel co-produces a cartoon about an African superhero, with the Black Entertainment Television [BET]. They began releasing episodes in January of 2010. Reginald Hudlin is credited as the shows writer and executive producer. He has a made a career as a writer and director for black media, including “The Great White Hype” which denigrates white athletes.
Isn’t it just so prejudice that there are no such things as ‘White Media’? Or ‘White, Middle-Class Media’ or ‘White, Middle Class Male Perspective’ media or ‘White, Middle Cass, Heterosexual Male, Christian Media?’ You see how the whole system is against us?
Also, Great White Hype doesn’t “[denigrate] white athletes”, it parodies them, while parodying Black athletes too, Subtle difference there. But appreciation for parody relies on the maturity and confidence required to allow for humorous critique of one’s own station, something the CCC haven’t developed yet. Possibly because, they don’t believe in development, progression or evolution, but there I go, speculating.
[Oh, here’s a laugh, when looking for a statement to verify the CCC’s fundie, anti-evolutionary, roots, I tapped ‘CCC’ into google and, well, they didn’t appear... I had to be even more specific in my internets searching. Above them in Google came, the Clean Clothes Campaign!]
Now, in fareness of the CCC, I could not find strong evidence of anti-evolution. However, I did find this article:Homo-Erectus Walks among us a book with such a vile, racist offensive cover that I physically lurched back from my keyboard in disgust when I saw it.
This book, and the other works of its author, Richard Lyn, are enough for a topic of themselves.
Anyway, on to the post about the Black Panther Cartoon:
Quote :
Episode one starts with a white American general, voiced by Marvel Comics front man Stan Lee, calling the fictional African nation of Wakanda “savages.”
Erm... It doesn’t... It starts with an opposing African tribe, in 500AD, cautiously edging up to the Wakandans, discussing their prowess, and their African leaders’ ability to evaluate those prowess.
Do you know how I know this? Is it because after ages of searching I finally tracked down Ep. 1 of Black panther? No, it’s because I followed a link from the CCC’s own article! Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to include a link in your own blog post that disproves your opening statement? At this point I’m seriously debating whether I’m giving these nitwits far too much of my time, there’s a fancy dress party going on at the pub right now, and I have a Gordon Freeman suit all ready, but here I am, picking apart the arguments of a bunch of idiots.
Well, after the credit sequence, you do indeed hear Stan Lee voicing a racist character.
Quote :
Episode one starts with a white American general, voiced by Marvel Comics front man Stan Lee, calling the fictional African nation of Wakanda “savages.” A black women [sic]then yells at him to “shut up.” This initial exchange seems to set the tone for the series. White people bad, black people good.
Okay, I freely admit to being a woolly, optimistic lefty, but when I watched this scene, the idea I received was: People: good. Ignorant, racist fuckwads: bad.” But then, I’m not watching this from a viewpoint that considers ‘white people’ to be under threat.
[Also, to quote the white guy who describes the Wakandans in this section, I had to pause and ROTFLMAO when he said: “The Wakandans have a warrior spirit that makes the Vietnamese look like, well, the French.” FUCKING LOL! [/hypocrisy]]
Back to the article:
Quote :
Then a segment is shown of the Black Panther easily defeating a clumsy white Captain America in 1941.
Note how it’s important to specify that Cap is white? In case they forgot...
Heh, I’m half-tempted to introduce them to Isaiah Bradley the Black Captain America. I’d love to see them flip their shit about that, because, I guarantee you, they don’t know he exists!
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Black Panther explains that he is a morally superior [sic] to the white Captain America and that Captain America must learn to be more like him.
OK, I have problems with whoever voiced Cap in this episode, I feel that Cap’s voice isn’t that nasally, (If I were gay, I’d fall in love with whoever voiced him in MUA2, that dude had it right!) BUT... The line that Boycott_Thor takes is different from the conflict I see.
First off, Black Panther does not ‘easily defeat’ Cap. It’s a pretty fair battle, and one that Panther wins only through tactics rather than ability, and it is already explained that Cap is ‘inexperienced’ at the time.
While the line: “Black Panther explains that he is [ ] morally superior” to Cap isn’t the case. Panther states that: “I think in time, you will represent to your nation what the Black Panther represents to Wakanda.” This isn’t derision, this is observation, and accurate observation at that. As anyone who follows both comics and politics knows (And there are more of us than you may think!): Cap’s stories tie in well with contemporary politics.
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It is easy to see that the show has extremely strong anti-white undertones. At the same time glorifying Sub-Saharan Africans with a fictional nation of which nothing like it actually exists in real life.
Grammar, you does not has it. (Yes, I know I failed in my first post of this, more hypocrisy from WD40... )
But yeah... Wakanda is a made-up, metaphorical world, representative of those African or other third-word nations that we, (white people) have, effectively, raped for their natural resources. Therefore Wakanda explores the premise of one such nation being capable of defending themselves, and therefore exporting the political, social and economic repercussions of such a situation. Damn Marvel for being so contextually relevant!
Fuck, man, I’m British! the British Empire was fucking HUGE! And I highly doubt those who created it thought much of the folks they were oppressing!
I’d love to engage with the next few paragraphs of the article, but I’m having difficulty tracking down al the episodes. But I can engage with the more broad sweeps the post makes:
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What makes this even more bizarre is that it first aired on ABC3, a children’s network in Australia targeting viewers aged 6-15. Australia is less than one tenth of 1% black. They obviously intended for white children in Australia to watch this.
Do I even need to parody satirize this quote? I mean, WOW!
“Over 99% of our viewing public is white, so if we’re going to target an anti-white agenda, we’re gonna have to be clever about it...”
The jokes write themselves, don’t they?
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This video clip really highlights the hypocrisy coming from Marvel. Why is the same parent company making one product that glories [sic] Sub-Saharan Africans, and another that denigrates Germanic peoples?
Jeez... Where to start...
Aw, fuck it, this is the end of this article.
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WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:12 pm
HAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!
Shitstorm in 3... 2...
Reepicheep-chan Important Person
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:26 pm
WD40 wrote:
Shitstorm in 3... 2...
Good. Now I want a Static movie. Get to it, Hollywood.
Lapin Knight of the Bleach
Join date : 2009-06-10 Age : 35 Location : Maryland
Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:37 pm
Reepicheep-chan wrote:
WD40 wrote:
Shitstorm in 3... 2...
Good. Now I want a Static movie. Get to it, Hollywood.
Yeah, make a Static movie! (Lapin has fond memories of the cartoon) (Because it was awesome!) Come on, I'm from that generation that supposedly loves nostalgic things, exploit the good parts of my childhood already.
...And get on that Batman Beyond movie too. And finish Samurai Jack already!
WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:37 am
Lapin wrote:
Reepicheep-chan wrote:
WD40 wrote:
Shitstorm in 3... 2...
Good. Now I want a Static movie. Get to it, Hollywood.
Yeah, make a Static movie! (Lapin has fond memories of the cartoon)
Don't hold your breath... The last black DC character to have a film was, well...
And he was probably the most popular black character DC had at the time. Shows how much they care for him.
DC really doesn't have a strong track record when it comes to diversity in their comics. While Marvel was pushing Black panther, DC had Tyroc. Arguably one of the most racist characters of the late silver age.
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According to Mike Grell, who co-created Tyroc with Cary Bates, the character of Tyroc was "sort of a sore spot with me." He had previously tried to introduce black characters into the series, but had been prevented by then-editor Murray Boltinoff. "I kept getting stalled off...and finally comes Tyroc. They might as well have named him Tyrone. Their explanation for why there were no black people [in the Legion] was that all the black people had gone to live on an island. It's possibly the most racist concept I've ever heard in my life...I mean, it's a segregationist's dream, right?
*shudder*
Hmmm. Maybe the CCC would endorse that character.
Reepicheep-chan Important Person
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:39 pm
WD40 wrote:
DC really doesn't have a strong track record when it comes to diversity in their comics. While Marvel was pushing Black panther, DC had Tyroc. Arguably one of the most racist characters of the late silver age.
Yeah, I know. One of the things I prefer about Marvel, definitely. I friggin loved Static though, I wish more of it was in TPB.
Lapin Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:22 pm
You know what made me really, irrationally sad? When they said Green Lantern was getting a movie, my mind immediately went to John Stewart. I grew up with Stewart on JL, and I loved him to bits.
...Now I'm sad again. How did that idiot get the part?
Jay/Cris The Word Police
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:30 pm
Reepicheep-chan wrote:
WD40 wrote:
DC really doesn't have a strong track record when it comes to diversity in their comics. While Marvel was pushing Black panther, DC had Tyroc. Arguably one of the most racist characters of the late silver age.
Yeah, I know. One of the things I prefer about Marvel, definitely. I friggin loved Static though, I wish more of it was in TPB.
Depends on what kind of diversity you're going for. When it comes to the portrayal of gay characters, DC has Marvel beat when it comes to quantity and how far things go on-panel. (Though Marvel has been growing better about that lately...)
Somath Cegem Wonderfully English
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:20 pm
Lapin wrote:
And finish Samurai Jack already!
Never gonna happen, the PPG movie falling flat made CN very wary of making the Samurai Jack movie that was supposed to wrap up the series, and now that Mako the voice of Aku is dead it's even less likely.
Cactus Wren Sporkbender
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:19 am
WD40 wrote:
The admin on the Boycot-Thor site has, usefully, put up a definition on what 'raist' means:
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The term “racist” was invented by Magnus Hirsch in the 1930′s.
Wow: the editors of the Oxford English Dictionary will be startled to learn that.
The Oxford English Dictionary wrote:
racist, n. and adj. Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈreɪsɪst/ , U.S. /ˈreɪsɨst/ An advocate or supporter of racism; a person whose words or actions display racial prejudice or discrimination. Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities. Cf. racialist n. 1926 Manchester Guardian 22 Sept. 5 If the French people and Government show that they desire to come to a real understanding the opposition of the German Nationals and the Racists will be nullified and will soon disappear altogether. 1927 Amer. Polit. Sci. Rev. 21 385 The government bloc reached an understanding with the most notorious Racists.
bleachedblackcat Armbiter of Good Fanfiction
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:23 pm
I could sort of see where people would come from. I almost had a hissy fit when Nick Fury suddenly become black and there seemed no reason for it. If you want less male/hetrosexual/males then I think you should make one up, not just randomly change the race of someone. And IIRC just having brown hair was enough to set gods apart from one another in the Thor comics (I haven't read them in a long time so I might be wrong about this).
Don't get me wrong, the CCC is made up of a bunch of idiots. But not everyone who would be slightly annoyed at something like this is pro-white.
A Static movie would be awesome! That use to be the one show I would drop everything to go watch.
WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:36 pm
bleachedblackcat wrote:
I could sort of see where people would come from. I almost had a hissy fit when Nick Fury suddenly become black and there seemed no reason for it.
There was a reason for Samuel L. Jackson being Nick Fury. It's because That's who he is!, at least in the Ultimate universe. UltiNick was styled after Samuel L. Jackson following a slight character redesign, but even before that he was black.
In fact, the guy gave his blessing for UltiNick to be designed after him.
The movies seem to style themselves after the Ultimate Universe more than mainstream continuity, and, well, Samuel L. Jackson is awesome! Get him in there!
Lapin Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:15 pm
bleachedblackcat wrote:
A Static movie would be awesome! That use to be the one show I would drop everything to go watch.
*High-five!*
bleachedblackcat Armbiter of Good Fanfiction
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:41 pm
WD40 wrote:
bleachedblackcat wrote:
I could sort of see where people would come from. I almost had a hissy fit when Nick Fury suddenly become black and there seemed no reason for it.
There was a reason for Samuel L. Jackson being Nick Fury. It's because That's who he is!, at least in the Ultimate universe. UltiNick was styled after Samuel L. Jackson following a slight character redesign, but even before that he was black.
I don't recall him being black in any of the comics I read with him in them before the Ultimates (which is what I was talking about, sorry for the confusion). I think Jackson's great in his role, but to me it's not the real Nick Fury.
Sutremaine Shitgobbling pissdrinker
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:26 pm
bleachedblackcat wrote:
If you want less male/hetrosexual/males then I think you should make one up, not just randomly change the race of someone.
Only if you could be confident that they'd attain the popularity of those other straight/white/male characters. You can make all the 'alternative' characters you like, but until the buying public stop thinking of the archetypical superhero as being a straight white muscular Christian male then the popular characters will continue to be of that mould.
WD40 Knight of the Bleach
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Subject: Re: GAWDAMMIT! There's black people in mah comic books! Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:15 am
bleachedblackcat wrote:
WD40 wrote:
bleachedblackcat wrote:
I could sort of see where people would come from. I almost had a hissy fit when Nick Fury suddenly become black and there seemed no reason for it.
There was a reason for Samuel L. Jackson being Nick Fury. It's because That's who he is!, at least in the Ultimate universe. UltiNick was styled after Samuel L. Jackson following a slight character redesign, but even before that he was black.
I don't recall him being black in any of the comics I read with him in them before the Ultimates (which is what I was talking about, sorry for the confusion). I think Jackson's great in his role, but to me it's not the real Nick Fury.
Oop! slip of the keyboard there. In mainstream continuity Fury has always been white, yes. What I meant to say was that in the Ultimate Universe, Nick Fury was always black, but he started out with a different look before undergoing a character redesign to make him resemble Samuel L. Jackson.
I understand what you're saying, I personally really can't stand the Ultimate Universe, but even so, Samuel L. Jackson is awesome, and I had no problem with his casting. I wasn't even aware myself of the Jackson/Fury Ultimate crossover when I first saw him, (Because, again: Screw the Ultimate Universe) and I still recognised him and geeked out. (I think he's better than the alternative, anyway!)
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