British Riots Rage; Authorities At A Loss+

Somath Cegem wrote:

Don't worry about me, so far the North East has managed to have enough sense and pride not to burn down their neighbours houses.

Sunderland looks like they already rioted.

Spotts1701 wrote:

But as usual, all it takes is a small number of people who use it as a "cover" to engage in utter and wanton destruction for news readers (I use that term because all they do is regurgitate rather than actually report) to turn the majority who are exercising their rights into a random and violent mob hell-bent on tearing down the system and letting blood run in the streets.

[...] Saw it in Greece, and Spain, and a hundred other places.

*cough* One of these things is not like the other.

Seriously, what kind of news were you watching that talked about 'wanton destruction' in Spain? Honestly getting rather tired of the rest of the world lumping us in with Greece. ¬_¬

A youth of 17 and a 50 year old man have been arrested.

Knorg wrote:

Somath Cegem wrote:

Don't worry about me, so far the North East has managed to have enough sense and pride not to burn down their neighbours houses.

Sunderland looks like they already rioted.

Oh that's just the design, Mid-Victorian pub brawl architecture.

Chipper status: still fine.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

#3.) The government isn't your goddamn mother.

It is, however, our government. Like, its job is to govern? It's supposed to take our taxes and invest it in improving and maintaining our lives in ways we can't. It failed to do that, so those worst affected are responding in the way they have been brought up to do so. (i.e. in an uneducated manner and all that bollocks I've already addressed.)

I'm currently finishing up on Chavs: The Demonization Of The Working Class, which covers pretty much perfectly why today's working class youths are the way they are and why pointing fingers and tutting at them is unhelpful and just dumb. If you can spare a tenner it's on Amazon and I think a great place to start if you're curious.

Somath Cegem wrote:

Don't worry about me, so far the North East has managed to have enough sense and pride not to burn down their neighbours houses.

Aww. Is that a subtle passive-aggrssive knock at me, pet? :3

It's not a riot, it's an uprising!

Here's a letter from England just sent to revcom:

"I came across you through The 4th Media. I read an article on the American prison system by Li Onesto and was led by a link to your website. I hope to visit your site on a regular basis. I live in the north-east of England and am much inspired by socialists here and abroad. On Thursday the police shot dead a young black man aged 29 and a father of four. This took place in Tottenham, North London. The police are not routinely armed here but these shootings are becoming quite a regular occurrence. We have no faith in their ‘independent enquiries.’ The police are always cleared. Cleared in advance you might say. Riots broke out yesterday as a result of this murder. The cost to business must be high and the disruption and unease and subsequent police arrests will all add to the mayhem caused by the police shooting on Thursday. Once the state is allowed without incident to shoot to death members of the public the rest of us are all put at risk. There must be a price to pay for these shootings. Hesitation must be the order of the day. The state must realise that shooting to death members of the public is entirely unacceptable. These shootings are happening too often. They cause a break down of law and order and those who direct these operations should face tough questioning. But this will not happen so mayhem will continue and so will unease.

The poor conditions in American prisons are becoming known all over the world. With 5 per cent of the world’s population America has 25 per cent of the world’s prisoners which tells us all we need to know. Solitary confinement is particularly cruel. The prisoners are being mentally crushed. Prison sentences are too long and slung at the poorest in society for the most trivial of offences. It is assault and battery by the state against the poor. It is depressing American society as the 2.3 million prisoners all have family and friends on the outside. With broken men coming out and held on a tight leash, there is always a fresh supply of new prisoners arriving. America is becoming a penitentiary state. Wages throughout American society have been kept artificially low over the past thirty years. Whilst prices rise and rise. Leading to an impoverished people. First credit cards were used and used without restraint. Leading to vast amounts of personal debt. America has rightly been called a parasite since it consumes so much of the world’s output without paying for that consumption. It uses slave labour abroad and imprisoned labour at home. It also takes in what can only be called indentured labour from Central America. How long can America continue to function when it is creating so much chaos around the world and misery at home. America is a psychopathic state. We expect much worse to come. The shooting of Mark Duggan on Thursday was hardly noticed outside the UK. And even here the state media tried to routinely report it as a way of keeping the public mind off the incident. The riots have hit the news in China and in Russia and no doubt in America and many other countries. The riots show the public response to the shooting and the attempt by the state to shut the whole incident down. Now it has caught the attention of everyone in the UK and more importantly it has been reported all over the world. Affecting tourism and the image of Britain as peaceful place to visit. You can’t shoot a man to death and expect peace on the streets."

Owlish wrote:

I agree with the rest of your post, but are you referring to Madison, Wisconsin? Because there was no actual violence there at all, as far as I'm aware? The only violence inflicted was by the police who literally tossed peaceful protesters out of the state capital, for doing nothing other than standing around. There was no theft or destruction of property anywhere, which was frankly amazing. The only ones spinning it as "rioting" were, surprise surprise, conservative Fox News and Rush Limbaugh radio types, who called peaceful protests "shrieking leftist mobs" and "race riots." Madison was all about the politics and suffered none of the violence, but the media coverage indicates just how skewed news really has become.

Adagio wrote:

*cough* One of these things is not like the other.

Seriously, what kind of news were you watching that talked about 'wanton destruction' in Spain? Honestly getting rather tired of the rest of the world lumping us in with Greece. ¬_¬

CBS News, MSNBC, The New York Times...apparently they would find some minor amount of property damage (and there was a very small amount) and blow it up because "Protests" doesn't sell copy or generate views, but "Riots" does.

So, more on the subject of WGW-ness...

What sort of Hetalia fanfiction is going to come of this madness?

HOLY SHIT.

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Hey__SoulSister: #LondonRiots I just fucking stabbed a cop with a broken bottle, fucking got pig blood all over my dress. It's like the Carrie remake

Hey__SoulSister:#LondonRiots shouldve seen the look on his face, never thought you'd get stabbed by a hot blonde chick huh faggot cop

Hey__SoulSister: #LondonRiots haha dude what a rush!!!!!!! Lmao!!!! I've never stabbed a cop before lolollllllll he said "please don't I have a daughter" lol

Please be a troll.

Just Chipper wrote:

Somath Cegem wrote:

Don't worry about me, so far the North East has managed to have enough sense and pride not to burn down their neighbours houses.

Aww. Is that a jab at the rest of the country, pet? :3

You got a few things wrong there so I fixed it for you.

So, we have this brilliant project running at the moment wherein any E-Petitions set up on HM government's website that gain over 100,000 signatures will be debated in parliament.

There was a bit of a hoo-hah a while ago as a petition to bring back capital punishment gained, at this point 12,066 signatures. (In response to this, a counter-petition to retain the current ban gained 20,302 signatures)

(go here if you want to look them up. Unfortunately the site is ludicrously unstable and more often than not tells you that "Something has gone wrong". Which is fucking hilarious every time I see it)

However, over the last week, at the time of writing, 94,914 has decided that the law should be set by people who can't spell, by signing this petition:

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Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits.

Responsible department: Department for Work and Pensions

Any persons convicted of criminal acts during the current London riots should have all financial benefits removed. No tax payer should have to contribute to those who have destroyed property, stolen from their community and shown a disregard for the country that provides for them.

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Because all rioters are on benefits. Absolutely, without exception. And fuck their children, if they wanted child support they shouldn't have been born to riotous parents.

Brilliant. Just fucking brilliant. Write up here



On the other side of the coin: Here is the father of one of the three men killed in Birmingham. The man is amazing.

Just so you know Somath, your level of shitty posting in this thread is equal with that of Harley. Congratulations.

WD40: I didn't even know that petition existed. How fucking disgusting. I bet every single one of those who signed the petition feel so proud of themselves, to boot.

WD40 wrote:

Because all rioters are on benefits. Absolutely, without exception. And fuck their children, if they wanted child support they shouldn't have been born to riotous parents.

And homeless people eating out of bins have such an investment in society. Fuck those people. Useless lot - if they had a brain cell between them I'd be surprised.

Well fuck...

The site is down at the moment (quelle surprise) but has this message up:

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The e-petition entitled “Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits” has now passed the threshold of 100,000 signatures and has been passed to the Backbench Business Committee to consider for debate. It will continue to be available for signature once the site is re-opened.

Aside from being an obviously un-thought through, misjudged, impractical, knee-jerk Daily Mail jizz-stain, it is now officially a burden on our government, who will have to spend time debating it.

In other news, at least a little on the positive side, the EDL have been officially condemned by the PM. (This coming after they were out last night protecting our streets" by fighting with the police... :/)

If you don't know who the EDL are, well... here:

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Incidentally, a football game (Spurs V. Everton) hass been called off by police because an EDL march though the host town was planed on the same day.

I mean, why attempt to ban a march by a group of violent racist thugs when you can allow it and effectively punish the local population of Everton, and the footie fans hoping to attend?

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also: EDL's response:

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Spoiler:

Maybe they're hoping enraged footie fans will beat and murder the EDL and the problem will resolve itself.

Fuck, it makes more sense than anything else they're doing at the moment.

I just managed to refrain from playing a horrible, horrible joke on my American friend by pretending to be in hospital or dead or something because I think they may be really worried because I wasn't on AIM today..

But enough about my own mental health deficiencies and borderline sadistic sense of humour that suggest I may be emotionally unstable...

The trouble with those rioters is that they have not the slightest shred of empathy for their victims. They don't care whether their victimes are black, white or Asian, their working class or higher or lower, part of their community or their own mother.

They don't care that 90% of people think they're sick and nobody supports them. All they can do is take and take. They hear people talking about how disgusting they are and they don't care. The younger ones laugh it off because their parents pay the fines and they don't go to prison.

They can't feel a damn thing, up until it happens directly to them. It's the unmistakable behaviour of an oncoming sociopath. You know, those people who grow up to be rapists and murderers, starting off their careers with looting and attacking people.

And they don't care.

I'm itching for a bunch of them to be thrown out of council houses for being wastes of flesh. Then they've ruined their own lives.

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

I just managed to refrain from playing a horrible, horrible joke on my American friend by pretending to be in hospital or dead or something because I think they may be really worried because I wasn't on AIM today..

But enough about my own mental health deficiencies and borderline sadistic sense of humour that suggest I may be emotionally unstable...

Like compulsive lying. There's no way you have friends.

Penguin wrote:

Harley Quinn hyenaholic wrote:

I just managed to refrain from playing a horrible, horrible joke on my American friend by pretending to be in hospital or dead or something because I think they may be really worried because I wasn't on AIM today..

But enough about my own mental health deficiencies and borderline sadistic sense of humour that suggest I may be emotionally unstable...

Like compulsive lying. There's no way you have friends.

Hey, I decided not to, however briefly tempting it was, because it would be horrible if somebody pulled it on me. And that's the important thing - I'd like to jam a fork in those bastard's eyes to teach them a lesson, because it's the only thing that would get through to them because they can't feel a goddamn thing for other people... but I don't, because I know it's socially unacceptable.

So thanks a lot Penguin, why don't you go choke on some of your own colon.

Yes, but do you understand why it's socially unacceptible? Or why it would be a terrible idea to pretend to be injured in a serious matter like these?

Because in the end with bad jokes like that, everybody comes out a loser. Besides, if somebody pulled it on me, I'd fall for it easily and be very worried and be finding it difficult to believe it was a lie...

So it's just mean on him, especially since he's probably my best friend. And bad for me since it might piss him off and I might lose a friend.

For now I'll stick with the happy gratifying feeling I got when the offline message popped up telling me that somebody cares.

Oh yeah - and I expect you think I should say 'because it shows no respect for the people who have been hurt' but that's not my primary reason for not doing it, it's just one of the reasons people might not do it, depending on the sort of person they are.

And so much for being a compulsive liar, even when it would benefit me to bullshit about that.

WD40 wrote:

effectively punish the local population of Everton

Everton isn't a place* - the club is from Liverpool.

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And that's the important thing - I'd like to jam a fork in those bastard's eyes to teach them a lesson, because it's the only thing that would get through to them because they can't feel a goddamn thing for other people...

Are we totally 100% sure that Harley isn't a troll, guys? Because I refuse to believe posts like this can be made by people who are being serious.

* well, it is a small area in the city, but aaaah

Chipper, people constantly debate that I am either a troll or an idiot. I prefer the former. But some of those news reports on the people doing the looting - ages, occupations, social status - really make me angry.

Sakurelf wrote:

So, more on the subject of WGW-ness...

What sort of Hetalia fanfiction is going to come of this madness?

That England got smashed and started thinking he could sky dive from the upper balcony of a tall building?

Harley, you can't condemn these people for taking this opportunity to cause all this damage and then say you thought even for a second that it might be a good idea to use these circumstances as an oppertunty to cause some emotional damage... and then take you seriously.

Well, more seriously than we do.

You know, at all.

Yeah, never mind.

Hey, I admit to temptation. I didn't give in to temptation.

Everybody gets tempted. The question is whether we give in to our temptations... these rioters and looters gave in.