17-month-old boy beaten to death for acting like a girl

Michael Rowe wrote:

At approximately 8:25 p.m. last Sunday night, the New York State Police on Long Island logged a 911 call about a toddler in cardiac arrest. The boy, 17-month-old Roy Jones, was rushed from the Shinnecock Indian Reservation in Southampton, N.Y. to Southampton Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 9:11 p.m.

According to authorities, the toddler had endured a savage beating. His tiny body had been repeatedly punched with closed fists and grabbed by the neck. By the time 911 had been called at dusk, he was already in cardiac arrest from the sheer brutality of the assault and it was too late to save his life.

Charged with manslaughter in the first degree and held without bail is the toddler's mother's live-in boyfriend, 20-year-old Pedro Jones, who was babysitting. The pair lived together on Shinnecock Nation tribal land, though Jones himself was not a member of the tribe. They were reportedly to marry, and Jones called the toddler "my baby," though Roy was not, in fact his baby.

"I was trying to make him act like a boy instead of a little girl," Jones explained. "I never struck that kid that hard before. A one-time mistake, and I am going to do 20 years."

Source.

There are just no words.

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XLT-100852.0 wrote:

Michael Rowe wrote:

"That's my baby. I loved him to death."

lol

Naturally he doesn't understand what the problem is except for hitting the kid too hard.

Why only manslaughter? Is there some legal loophole I don't know about, or does trans panic apply to toddlers now?

Quote :

"I never struck that kid that hard before. A one-time mistake, and I am going to do 20 years."

So, it's okay to hit small children as long as you don't hit hard enough to kill.

Aw, poor Pedro. He just made one little mistake, and now he's going to prison for 20 years? Poor guy.

What a total sociopath.

Sutremaine wrote:

Why only manslaughter? Is there some legal loophole I don't know about, or does trans panic apply to toddlers now?

To be murder, he would have either planned to kill ("malice aforethought") or acted in a way that would indicated a "depraved indifference" to human life.

Here, they can only prove with certainty that his conduct was reckless, and that the reckless conduct had a high probability of death. Hence, manslaughter in the first degree. If they can prove more, they can always "upcharge" to murder prior to trial.

Gender wank in . . .

Sutremaine wrote:

Naturally he doesn't understand what the problem is except for hitting the kid too hard.

Why only manslaughter? Is there some legal loophole I don't know about, or does trans panic apply to toddlers now?

. . . hot damn, -5.

AFAIK (Spotts, correct me if I'm wrong here) there was no premeditation or intent to kill. That makes it manslaughter.

inb4 Somath claims this case has nothing to do with gender identity

I hope this guy gets mental help in prison. Judging from what he said on-record, not only is he a horrible human being but he either has some sort of mental disorder or is terminally fucking stupid.

gaijinguy wrote:

Gender wank in . . .

Why wouldn't we be talking about gender issues in a thread about a kid being beaten to death for acting the 'wrong' gender?

Come on, I know thread derailment is the forum's #1 hobby, but the thread has to run on the rails a bit first.

Oh, what the fuck, man? 17-month-olds can't even grasp the concept of gender.

Azzandra wrote:

Oh, what the fuck, man? 17-month-olds can't even grasp the concept of gender.

That's exactly what I was thinking. How exactly was this (almost) two-year old "acting like a little girl"?

Mr.Doobie wrote:

That's exactly what I was thinking. How exactly was this (almost) two-year old "acting like a little girl"?

Possibly by imitating his mother.

This is from an indian reservation, right? I remember listening to a news story/documentary that gender conflicts, gender related violence, and things of that nature are reaching epidemic proportions. I'm unfortunately unsurprised. But also horrified.

Jesus. wrote:

This is from an indian reservation, right? I remember listening to a news story/documentary that gender conflicts, gender related violence, and things of that nature are reaching epidemic proportions. I'm unfortunately unsurprised. But also horrified.

Indian reservations have a sickening high rates of sexual crimes. I was watching a documentary about the lokota tribe and their recent history of sexual abuse. They went to a sex offender group meeting where almost all of the offenders there admit to being sexually and/or physically abused as children.

XLT-100852.0 wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

This is from an indian reservation, right? I remember listening to a news story/documentary that gender conflicts, gender related violence, and things of that nature are reaching epidemic proportions. I'm unfortunately unsurprised. But also horrified.

Indian reservations have a sickening high rates of sexual crimes. I was watching a documentary about the lokota tribe and their recent history of sexual abuse. They went to a sex offender group meeting where almost all of the offenders there admit to being sexually and/or physically abused as children.

Current TV's Vanguard? We watched the same documentary.

Jesus. wrote:

Current TV's Vanguard? We watched the same documentary.

The station and that show is amazing.

Some statistics for Pine Ridge, widely recognized as among the worst of the Indian reservations in America.

A first hand account of the living situation there.

I'm 100% not surprised. It's sad, but not shocking to me... because I read about this shit all the time in the local paper here. I'm sure Nil, who lives close to another Indian res which is also in the top three for worst Indian Reservations, can tell you similar stories. The res's are in such bad shape, I can't even begin to think where a person would begin to fix the problems, if they would be allowed to in the first place. And it's a crime that it takes something sensational to bring attention to the problem.

Poor kid.

Maximilia wrote:

Some statistics for Pine Ridge, widely recognized as among the worst of the Indian reservations in America.

A first hand account of the living situation there.

I'm 100% not surprised. It's sad, but not shocking to me... because I read about this shit all the time in the local paper here. I'm sure Nil, who lives close to another Indian res which is also in the top three for worst Indian Reservations, can tell you similar stories. The res's are in such bad shape, I can't even begin to think where a person would begin to fix the problems, if they would be allowed to in the first place. And it's a crime that it takes something sensational to bring attention to the problem.

Poor kid.

There's an Indian reservation, Soboba, about 25 miles from where I live. When it makes the paper (other than for the casino), it's usually over tribe members killing each other (although once there was a corruption scandal).

XLT-100852.0 wrote:

Mr.Doobie wrote:

That's exactly what I was thinking. How exactly was this (almost) two-year old "acting like a little girl"?

Possibly by imitating his mother.

Honestly, I think that the kid's "acting like a little girl" was all in this guy's head... or it was something so incredibly trivial -- like maybe grabbing for a stereotypical girl's toy instead of a stereotypical boy's toy, or maybe crying a lot -- that he somehow interpreted as "girlish". The guy obviously isn't thinking rationally, or thinking much at all, just reacting with rage to whatever set him off, that it could have literally been pretty much any action on the part of the child, however innocent.

XLT-100852.0 wrote:

Jesus. wrote:

Current TV's Vanguard? We watched the same documentary.

The station and that show is amazing.

You speak much truth.

Maximilia wrote:

Some statistics for Pine Ridge, widely recognized as among the worst of the Indian reservations in America.

A first hand account of the living situation there.

I'm 100% not surprised. It's sad, but not shocking to me... because I read about this shit all the time in the local paper here. I'm sure Nil, who lives close to another Indian res which is also in the top three for worst Indian Reservations, can tell you similar stories. The res's are in such bad shape, I can't even begin to think where a person would begin to fix the problems, if they would be allowed to in the first place. And it's a crime that it takes something sensational to bring attention to the problem.

Poor kid.

The problem is that there is quite simply no recourse for them whatsoever. They are born into futility, they live in futility, they die in futility. No where to go, no where to invest their time, their purpose is lost, their heritage is practically dead, they are just decaying out there. They have nothing. What they need, what really any ghetto needs-the reservations are not special-is an opportunity, a way out. Jobs need to be created, universities need to be set up, volunteers need to be sent in to help take care of children and alcoholics in need of recovery, and these people need to be given, if nothing else, a way out or a way up or a WAY at all. They basically need a New Deal or something not unlike it. They were given bootleg communities that not even close to self sufficient in the beginning, and it shows. Spotts will make or break this argument, but as far as I'm concerned, the reservations being sovereign nations is an excuse. We don't help our poor as a government, but as individual volunteers and aid groups we help other's poor as well as our own, whether through going in and helping, or through funds set up ad fundraisers for them, etc. We've done nothing but wrong by them, and this is what it takes for people to remember that we even HAVE indian reservations at all. It's sickening.

There are quite a number of Indian reservations in the area near to where I live in southern California. The poverty on them is not as desperate as it used to be, thanks to some very successful casinos, but those have also brought their share of problems (one tribe made a concerted effort to kick people out so they wouldn't have to share the casino money with them). There are some tribes that are trying to expand their industries--when I worked as a tutor at a local community college, one of the students who came to me for help with math was from the Cahuilla reservation near Anza, and he said they were trying to go into the solar power business. I don't know if they ever succeeded in getting that off the ground, but the student was right in his assessment that if every tribe has a casino, someone is eventually going to fail because there will be too many to compete, so diversifying their money-making ventures is a good idea.

I am absolutely disgusted beyond words. Especially since I'm a feminine boy.



Also, rofl Gaij.

Edit: XLT - Fight Club ftw <3

Verandering wrote:

Edit: XLT - Fight Club ftw <3

THATS WHAT THAT IS. I thought it was a preg belly with a popped bellybutton, I couldnt tell who it was.

...

His name is Robert Paulson...

Jesus. wrote:

Spotts will make or break this argument, but as far as I'm concerned, the reservations being sovereign nations is an excuse.

It may or may not be an excuse, but it does make things difficult since the only body that has authority to act with respect to the tribes is Congress; and right now I don't think you could get them to agree that water is wet, let alone agree that there needs to be some sort of change in the status quo policy towards Native Americans.

Gaming does help some of the tribes economically, but it's only a band-aid solution. There needs to be a comprehensive "ground-up" review and outreach program developed.