Mom and grandma leave baby in carseat on the floor, alone with a dog.

If you guess that the dog completely savaged the kid, you'd be right.

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A 17-year-old mother charged with manslaughter after a husky killed
her newborn baby says she is still in shock and "completely broken."

In
an interview with the French-language TV network TVA, the teen — who
cannot be identified because she is a minor — said the past few days
have been extremely difficult.

"I don't have words. I'm completely broken, that's all," she said in the interview aired Wednesday.
...

The young mother was arrested after her three-week-old baby girl was
found covered in deep bite marks and scratches. Police said she had
been left strapped in her car seat on the main floor of the house and
one of several huskies in the home attacked her.

Derp derp, a tasty morsel of meat that coos and babbles and makes sounds that are generally prey-like... to a dog, that's just, like, perfect.

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The baby's father, who was not home at the time, said the teen and
the baby's grandmother had just stepped outside for a smoke and ran
back inside as soon as they heard a noise. But it was too late.

The woman said she feels shock, but also anger and guilt.

"I want people to understand, not to make judgments that are false,"
the girl said. "People are saying I didn't want the baby. It was a
child that I lost and it hurts."

Yes, it hurts. But the child was lost because this girl and her grandmother (who I think should also be charged, since she could have been watching the child while the girl smoked, then the girl could have watched the child while the grandma smoked, so she's equally culpable, or more so, since she's older and should know better, honestly) made a really fucking stupid decision.

Yeah, but they wanted to TALK, you know. It's, like, more important. They wouldn't want to be bored and alone for like 10 minutes while smoking/looking after a baby.


Fuck.

it takes 10 mins to smoke a cigarette? Alright i would let it be if they had one small dog which was as friendly as possible, but they had seven huskies loose in the house! Yea they both deserve jail time for negligence. Now the poor dogs are going to get put to sleep because of retarded French parents.

Why couldn't they take the baby outside with them? That just makes no freaking sense to m--OWAIT. The EVILS of SMOKING.

Actually, I meant two cigs successively. But if it's shorter, it's even worse. They couldn't stand to be alone for so SHORT a time? Gah.

Waitwaitwait... why not taking the DOGS out? And smoke downwind? Feck.

I feel bad for my country.

Maximilia wrote:

Why couldn't they take the baby outside with them? That just makes no freaking sense to m--OWAIT. The EVILS of SMOKING.

Well, honestly, if I smoked, I wouldn't smoke around a baby, either. But they could've smoked in shifts, like I said above, and always had one of them with the baby while the other smoked.

Or, if they absolutely HAD to talk to each other while smoking, then they could have taken the baby with them and just tried to smoke where the wind would blow it away from the baby. The kid would still be exposed somewhat to the smoke, which isn't great, but it would be a hell of a lot less dangerous than being alone around a bunch of dogs.

The fact is, the solution they picked to their problem was the absolute worst one.

I've got a better question. Assuming they absolutely, positively, couldnt smoke without eachother and couldnt take the baby, why would they leave the baby

ON

THE

FLOOR?

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*heard this story before it was even posted here*

Also:

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On Tuesday, the teen's lawyer, André Williams, also expressed surprise at the quick action of prosecutors and the severity of the charges.

"There's not any emergency to accuse that young woman," said Williams. "I don't know what is so urgent."

Fuck you, Williams.

Jesus. wrote:

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On Tuesday, the teen's lawyer, André Williams, also expressed surprise at the quick action of prosecutors and the severity of the charges.

"There's not any emergency to accuse that young woman," said Williams. "I don't know what is so urgent."

Fuck you, Williams.

Ehh, you can't be too surprised at that, it's sort of like the defense lawyer for the mother who nearly cut off her son's buttocks saying that the kid wasn't irreparably crippled because of it and since he (the kid) was begging for her to not be sent to prison, she shouldn't be so strongly punished for it.

Defense lawyers have a job; to protect the civil rights of their clients and reduce or eliminate the charges brought against their clients. It's not always a savory job, they aren't always on the moral high ground, but it is a necessary job.

I know, I know, but still. >:/

Do you think Defense Attorneys actually believe the things they say or believe the innocence of those they defend? Or is it just their job?

Ugh...why do people do stupid things like this? When I babysit my 14-month-old niece, I don't leave her alone with the dog, even though the dog is half her size and friendly. It just isn't safe. Dogs are predators, and small children tend to act like prey. What is it about this that some people just don't understand?

Lady Anne wrote:

Dogs are predators, and small children tend to act like prey. What is it about this that some people just don't understand?

I'd say it's because the vast majority of people who have dogs seem to imagine they're little furry people. They're not.

I actually feel really sorry for this woman. She clearly didn't do this to deliberately kill the child and she appears to be genuinely grieving at the child's death.

You'd be surprised at how many stupid decisions first-time parents make simply because they weren't thinking things through. It just so happens that this was one mistake that was immediately fatal. Poor baby. Poor mother. Poor grandmother. Tragedy all around.

Lexin wrote:

Lady Anne wrote:

Dogs are predators, and small children tend to act like prey. What is it about this that some people just don't understand?

I'd say it's because the vast majority of people who have dogs seem to imagine they're little furry people. They're not.

I don't think that's the only reason. Some people assume that because their dog is a sweetheart to them, he's totally harmless. Oh he's a dote, he's safe around the baby - no. Can't chance it. Can't kid yourself. Even a dog with a tiny little mouth can do damage.

Jesus. wrote:

I've got a better question. Assuming they absolutely, positively, couldnt smoke without eachother and couldnt take the baby, why would they leave the baby

ON

THE

FLOOR?

FWIW, all the stuff I have that are meant to sit a baby come with a leaflet telling you, among other things, not to place them on tables, beds and benches.
From that point of view, leaving the carseat on the floor was a sensible thing. Pity there was an entire kennel sharing the place.

Grunge wrote:

retarded French parents.

Canada =/= France.

ITT:

-Children get hurt, women get overly emotional and outraged

-Hindsight bias 20-20

-Forgetting that not everyone is paranoid

-Franziska von Karma wannabe's

I'm ignoring the rest of your trolling bullshit, but I want to touch on this one:

Psy-4 wrote:

-Forgetting that not everyone is paranoid

You can't, can't take chances with a dog the size of a husky. People kid themselves and think their dogs wouldn't hurt a fly and they're totally safe. They're not. My big hairy boy outside is wonderfully even-tempered, was socialised with children, and readily takes to people once he knows they're okay by me, and he's still had moments where he's barked at little kids for no obvious reason. There is absolutely no way I would leave him alone with a child. It only takes a second. It's not paranoia, it's being a responsible dog owner.

Psy-4 wrote:

ITT:

-Children get hurt, women get overly emotional and outraged

OH THOSE WOMEN, GETTING OUTRAGED, WHY THAT'S JUST LIKE WOMEN, ISN'T IT.

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-Hindsight bias 20-20

Yeah, because leaving a tiny helpless baby alone with a large, powerful animal that still has very strong predatory instincts isn't something that should be an obviously bad idea to anyone with a shred of brains.

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-Forgetting that not everyone is paranoid

See above.

Psy, I know you love to troll our asses by playing Devil's Advocate for every little damn thing, but this is seriously weak, dude.

Huskies aren't even the first dogs I think of when I think of "usually, generally well tempered for dealing with children." They're not even the first breed I think of when thinking of "family breeds." Huskies are a pain in the butt to begin with, and that's with experienced adults.

Cyberwulf wrote:

There is absolutely no way I would leave him alone with a child.

You have a reason for that. That reason being

Cyberwulf wrote:

My big hairy boy outside is wonderfully even-tempered, was socialised with children, and readily takes to people once he knows they're okay by me, and he's still had moments where he's barked at little kids for no obvious reason.

And are you saying that the mother had no reason to believe that her child would be safe to leave alone? Which leads to

Malganis wrote:

Yeah, because leaving a tiny helpless baby alone with a large, powerful animal that still has very strong predatory instincts isn't something that should be an obviously bad idea to anyone with a shred of brains.

Yes, let's talk about a dog we have never interacted with and how it behaves. It's not like she has lived with the dog for years and has enough experience to believe that this wouldn't happen. Which again leads to "not everyone is paranoid" and "hindsight 20-20".

It's like having your brother stab you and be told you should have seen it coming.

Malganis wrote:

OH THOSE WOMEN, GETTING OUTRAGED, WHY THAT'S JUST LIKE WOMEN, ISN'T IT.

According to the numbers of posters in all the outrage threads you make, yes.

Malganis wrote:

Psy, I know you love to troll our asses by playing Devil's Advocate for every little damn thing, but this is seriously weak, dude.

Malganis wrote:

troll our asses by playing Devil's Advocate for every little damn thing

Malganis wrote:

Devil's Advocate

A woman lost her child, and suggesting that this is an accident that couldn't have been foreseen and shouldn't be prosecuted, not that the mother should take shit for this is playing Devil's Advocate.

Stay classy.

Let's look at the facts:

1). The mother and grandmother did nothing to hide what happened (i.e. didn't report the death, did not hide the body, etc.).
2). They told the police exactly what had happened and why, despite the fact that it was clearly their fault.
3). There has been no self-serving 'I am being persecuted' attitude from either of them to the media other than 'I haven't been given proper time to grieve for my daughter,' which in my view is a legitimate position (despite the fact that I agree that the police did their job properly).
4). There have been no "reports" from neighbors or witnesses about there being a history of abuse or any such thing within that family that would suggest that this was anything but a tragic accident (or tragic lapse of judgment).

I think in this particular case, people should be a little less vitriolic towards the mother and grandmother because it was clearly not intentional and they're both grieving for the loss of that baby. This is going to haunt them for a very, very long time regardless whether they're legally punished for it or not.

Psy-4 wrote:

are you saying that the mother had no reason to believe that her child would be safe to leave alone?

Clearly she believed the child would be safe to leave alone with the dogs or she wouldn't have done it. Maybe the dogs never reacted badly to the baby before. I'm saying you can't rely on that, especially with a large dog and a little baby. If something goes wrong it's going to go horribly, maybe fatally wrong. She took a chance. She shouldn't have.

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Yes, let's talk about a dog we have never interacted with and how it behaves.

We know it's a husky. Have you seen how big they are? With big mouths full of sharp teeth? They also tend to have a high prey drive, and are one of the most primitive breeds of dog. Not that far removed from wolves (which you can tell by lookin at them).

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It's not like she has lived with the dog for years

We don't know how long she's had the dog.

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and has enough experience to believe that this wouldn't happen.

She can believe anything she wants. In this case, she was wrong. Obviously.

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It's like having your brother stab you and be told you should have seen it coming.

No.

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A woman lost her child, and suggesting that this is an accident that couldn't have been foreseen

It was an accident, but it could have been forseen.

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and shouldn't be prosecuted

This is one of those rare occasions where I agree with you, Psy. She didn't sic the dog on the child. For all we know it might just as easily have happened if she'd been in the room.

And since I skimmed the thread initially, let me go back and address the following:

Jesus wrote:

Also:

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On Tuesday, the teen's lawyer, André Williams, also expressed surprise at the quick action of prosecutors and the severity of the charges.

"There's not any emergency to accuse that young woman," said Williams. "I don't know what is so urgent."

Fuck you, Williams.

Fuck YOU, shit-for-brains. She didn't sic the dog on the kid. She made a mistake, a terrible mistake with devastating consequences. A manslaughter charge is ridiculous.

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it's sort of like the defense lawyer for the mother who nearly cut off her son's buttocks saying that the kid wasn't irreparably crippled because of it and since he (the kid) was begging for her to not be sent to prison, she shouldn't be so strongly punished for it.

That situation is nothing like this one, and you'd know that if you weren't so busy diddling yourself to your own sense of self-righteousness.

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It's like having your brother stab you and be
told you should have seen it coming.

Psy, um... there's a big difference between your brother and your pet. Jus'... jus' pointing that out.

Now, aside from the attacks/sympathies towards mother/grandmother, I'm worried about what's going to happen to the dogs. The animal that hurt the baby wasn't being malicious, or cruel, but I doubt that the mother would want to keep caring for it(wouldn't expect anyone to). I doubt anyone is going to want said dog. It's probably really stupid of me, since there are people who were hurt and hurting, but I'm actually pretty concerned over the animal. :\

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