Indigo children

If they survive it.

Well the way I see it, most kids whose parents have money don't have some childhood illness that can force them to live in a iron lung for the rest of their lives. So many middle to upper class parents are scared by AUTISM because it's the new 'in' thing for kids to suddenly have (like ADD was back when I was in middle school). It's a fear that your kid isn't going to be normal and live a normal life, and autism is something that can't be cured with drugs. So parents are scared shitless by the idea that they might have a kid with some sort of problem that isn't bad enough to have help from places for the rest of their lives (depending on how bad it is) and at the same time the parents can't stuff their kids to the gills with drugs to make them better.


IMOO in all of this of course.

What I think is sort of hilar about the whole indigo child thing is the lady who coined the phrase said:

Nancy Ann Tappe wrote:

The Indigo label describes the energy pattern of human behavior which exists in over 95% of the children born in the last 10 years … This phenomena is happening globally and eventually the Indigos will replace all other colors.

So like even the psychic, aura-reading chick who came up with the whole thing is not even really claiming these kids are special, apparently they are just like every other child born around the same time.  Prolly why all this crystal and rainbow is cropping up, indigo is way too commonplace :p

Sheba wrote:

If they survive it.

I don't know of anyone who died of the measles. Hell, I know I didn't. I know the measles can kill, but it's not like 'omg better pray for a miracle' anymore.

grmblfjx wrote:

Sheba wrote:

If they survive it.

I don't know of anyone who died of the measles. Hell, I know I didn't. I know the measles can kill, but it's not like 'omg better pray for a miracle' anymore.

Unless the kid's parents are the stupid ones who refuse to vaccinate their 'speshul lil angel'.

Sheba wrote:

grmblfjx wrote:

Sheba wrote:

If they survive it.

I don't know of anyone who died of the measles. Hell, I know I didn't. I know the measles can kill, but it's not like 'omg better pray for a miracle' anymore.

Unless the kid's parents are the stupid ones who refuse to vaccinate their 'speshul lil angel'.

That would cause them to GET measles, like some hippy hobo German. The only thing that would cause them to die is refusing any and all medical treatment in favor of making them sleep in the cold rain and starving them until they're feeling better.

Oh but you see, little Billy doesn't NEED any treatment because of his aura; my Spirit Guide told me so!!!!

haha man even if vaccines did cause autism (they dont)

which is worse

a dead kid

or an autistic kid

talk about fucked up priorities

SirDixonDongs wrote:

haha man even if vaccines did cause autism (they dont)

which is worse

a dead kid

or an autistic kid

talk about fucked up priorities

Well...

A dead kid is a hell of a lot less annoying to Mikey than an autistic kid.

So there's that.  

SirDixonDongs wrote:

haha man even if vaccines did cause autism (they dont)

which is worse

a dead kid

or an autistic kid

talk about fucked up priorities

But these same new agey people are all anti war and pro peace and supposedly love one another

No comprende

Gotta say glad I was born disabled. This shit...I hate people. Hate them.

Sheba wrote:

grmblfjx wrote:

Sheba wrote:

If they survive it.

I don't know of anyone who died of the measles. Hell, I know I didn't. I know the measles can kill, but it's not like 'omg better pray for a miracle' anymore.

Unless the kid's parents are the stupid ones who refuse to vaccinate their 'speshul lil angel'.

No. Jesus. Vaccination is supposed to prevent getting sick in the first place. My point was that even those who do get sick, like I did, don't die anymore; as in the mortality rate in developed countries is 0.1%.

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

A dead kid is a hell of a lot less annoying than Mikey or an autistic kid.

Sorry, I had to. -.-

grmblfjx wrote:

Mikey Go WOOGA wrote:

A dead kid is a hell of a lot less annoying than Mikey or an autistic kid.

Sorry, I had to. -.-

Mikey's annoying? Since when?

grmblfjx wrote:

No. Jesus. Vaccination is supposed to prevent getting sick in the first place. My point was that even those who do get sick, like I did, don't die anymore; as in the mortality rate in developed countries is 0.1%

Yeah, I am pro-vaccination, personally, but kids who do not get vacced do not all just die.  A lot of these diseases are only potentially deadly if you have a compromised immune system or are exceptionally young/ old/ whatever or the level of care you receive afterwords is really bad.  I think my mom had a couple of the illnesses people get vacced for now-a-days, and shit, they vac for chicken pox now and I think most of the people on this board probably had that as kids.

Also, since when was being anti-vac an indigo thing?

maybe they vaccinate kids for chickenpox so that a) there's no risk of them getting it when they're older and it can be much more serious b) they won't suffer from shingles every few years (like my dad)

hell i bet none of the guys here would enjoy having mumps as a teenager what with all the ball-swelling

Cyberwulf wrote:

maybe they vaccinate kids for chickenpox so that a) there's no risk of them getting it when they're older and it can be much more serious b) they won't suffer from shingles every few years (like my dad)

hell i bet none of the guys here would enjoy having mumps as a teenager what with all the ball-swelling

If I had known mumps did that I wouldn't have spent all that money on saline.

SirDixonDongs wrote:

which is worse

a dead kid

or an autistic kid

Let me put on my extremely cynical hat for a second. A dead child, one can mourn and then move on. An autistic child is forever and with severe autism, can be more than many parents are capable of coping with. Parents who are deathly afraid of having an autistic child see what their future might be and are terrified by it. Mind you, this has nothing to do with how well, or poorly, they might do raising an autistic child, but the fear is there.

are you fucking huffing glue

Ghost in the Machine wrote:

Parents who are deathly afraid of having an autistic child see what their future might be and are terrified by it.  Mind you, this has nothing to do with how well, or poorly, they might do raising an autistic child, but the fear is there.

I understand that a parent does what they can (assuming they're decent people) to make sure the child they bring into the world is healthy and happy

I also understand that some people would rather terminate pregnancies if they find out a child has something that would impact its quality of life

But at the same time, there are parents in this world who would love to have a child at all, and don't care whether it has autism or doesn't amount to anything or grows up addicted to drugs or ends up being a vegan and will do whatever it takes to take as best care of that child as they can because this child is a gift to them

and idk, while I personally understand that people want to do whatever they want to make sure their child has the best life, in the end a child is still a gift?

it's just complicated as fuck and while I think it should be up to the parent to decide what to do my moral compass gets pissed at the whole foodsy-type people who are snooty and anti-vac like they just think they can just non-GMO their kid like they just go to the store and buy crackers and it's always this type of person who goes on like this and it's just weird

like they would think maybe having a kid with cerebral palsy or downs syndrome would have been more "hip" or some shit.

Cyberwulf wrote:

maybe they vaccinate kids for chickenpox so that a) there's no risk of them getting it when they're older and it can be much more serious b) they won't suffer from shingles every few years (like my dad)

I know that, by all means vac your kids for chicken pox. All I am saying is that I do not get this no vac=DEATH thing.

Hawaiian Shirt wrote:

Cyberwulf wrote:

hell i bet none of the guys here would enjoy having mumps as a teenager what with all the ball-swelling

If I had known mumps did that I wouldn't have spent all that money on saline.

*spit take*

Disco Stu wrote:

I also understand that some people would rather terminate pregnancies if they find out a child has something that would impact its quality of life

But at the same time, there are parents in this world who would love to have a child at all, and don't care whether it has autism or doesn't amount to anything or grows up addicted to drugs or ends up being a vegan and will do whatever it takes to take as best care of that child as they can because this child is a gift to them

and idk, while I personally understand that people want to do whatever they want to make sure their child has the best life, in the end a child is still a gift?

eeehhhhnnn whether a pregnancy is a gift depends HUGELY on the parents' feelings and circumstances. But if parents decide to keep a child then they have a responsibility to ensure that child is properly taken care of and I don't just mean fed and watered but fucking loved too.

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I know that, by all means vac your kids for chicken pox. All I am saying is that I do not get this no vac=DEATH thing.

Have you seen what polio did to kids? Even if they didn't die a lot of them ended up cripples or placed in iron lungs. Of course not everything is going to kill your kid, but a lot of things that we give out shots for can.

Measles, for instance. Occasionally mumps if the swelling cuts breathing off. Diptheria was a major one; the kid would choke and seize to death as a slimy film formed over their airways. Pertusis, yeah, have fun choking on your own fluids. Smallpox will cause your skin to slip off in bleedy, pussing layers (but by then your brain's so fried by the fever you don't probably feel it, at least!) Chickenpox is itchy to a kid, but can kill an adult (and also adds the fun bonus of searing shingles pain later in life, yaaaay!) Tetanus or lockjaw is intriguingly-horrible to watch progress; it starts with twitching in the muscles surrounding the affected area--which eventually progress to full-on hyperflexion until by the time death results the whooooole body is arched back on itself like a human bow and every muscle rigidly spasming. TB, of course, results in coughing up gobs of one's lungs (or failing to cough them up and drowning in them instead.)

Polio's already been mentioned; there's also a pneumonia vacc but I don't think they usually give that one to kids. Meningitis, they give that one to college kids heading off to live in dorms. It's a swelling of the brain's lining due to infection building between the meninges layers. the resulting intercranial pressure cuts off bloodflow to the brain, which is game over for the patient. It can also displace the nerves which control breathing and put a stop to that shit. Hell, even influenza can be fatal to a young kid with an underdeveloped (or compromised) immune system!

So yeah. Basicly, if we stick you for it, there's a chance it can kill you. Maybe hippie-drippy Indigo moms are content to play Russian Roulette with their kid's life, but they shouldn't be allowed to risk other peoples' children.

A tuberculosis vaccine exists, but isn't often used. There is, however, a skin test that can determine if a person has been exposed to be TB--my employer requires testing before hiring and every 4 years thereafter. A positive skin test doesn't necessarily mean you have TB--not everyone exposed to it gets it. A chest x-ray determines if you have active TB. TB is treatable with antibiotics (but now there are antibiotic-resistant strains, which make it a whole lot more dangerous). Untreated, TB has a very high chance of killing you and spreading to other people.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective, but if everyone gets them, then those for whom they don't work have the protection of "herd immunity"--if enough people are immune, a disease has little chance of getting a foothold in a population. The thing is, some diseases (like whooping cough, aka pertussis) are extremely contagious, meaning that if you don't have universal or near-universal vaccination, people can get sick. (I had whooping cough last winter in spite of getting a booster vaccine less than two years earlier--the vaccine is supposed to protect you for about 10 years. I wasn't diagnosed until three weeks into the disease, and since the urgent care doctor said I could go to work as long as I felt okay other than the cough, I went off to work and spread it to various students and the principal. Now, whooping cough is seldom fatal to older kids and adults--just extremely aggravating--but it can be fatal to infants. I don't know if anyone then brought it home to their young children or siblings, but I sure as hell hope not.)

Chicken pox (for which a vaccine has been available for only a few years) can cause a nasty little condition called chicken pox encephalitis, where the brain becomes inflamed. Symptoms include confusion, nausea, vomiting, high fever, severe headache, sensitivity to light, etc. It can kill you. Chicken pox can also cause scarring and, if there are pox on the cornea, blindness. For children, it's usually more of an uncomfortable annoyance than anything else, but for adolescents and adults, it can be fatal (or at least a very unpleasant ordeal).

People being against vaccines isn't new--one set of my great-grandparents was very much against them back in the 50's, but my grandmother, a nurse, had seen the worst effects of a lot of diseases and thus brought the vaccines home with her for her kids. She smuggled them into the laundry area and vaccinated the kids with a strict warning not to tell their grandparents. She was very grateful for the polio vaccine, since her oldest had polio as a toddler and, though the aftereffects were minimal (partial lip paralysis that left her looking like she was permanently smirking), she didn't want any of the others to get it and perhaps have a much worse time. Oh, and even people who seemingly recover from polio can have a condition called post-polio syndrome affect them in later years, causing muscle weakness and atrophy and leaving a formerly healthy person disabled, possibly even to the extent of being unable to live independently.

Yeah...diseases don't care one bit about how special you or your children are. They just need a nice, warm body to live in and spread from. Vaccination saves lives and prevents a lot of misery.

bleachedblackcat wrote:

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I know that, by all means vac your kids for chicken pox. All I am saying is that I do not get this no vac=DEATH thing.

Have you seen what polio did to kids?

Emphasis on did. The point here isn't that these aren't serious illnesses, it's that this response of 'if you don't vaccinate your kid it's INEVITABLY gonna DIE a horrible DEATH' is hyperbolic and outdated, considering what modern medicine can to even if you do fall sick. Vaccination isn't so much to prevent individual deaths, as the mortality rate is pretty low for most of these diseases (at least in developed countries), it's to prevent an epidemic.
I'm not against vaccination, I'm against hyperbole.

Sheba wrote:

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Lady Anne wrote:

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I honestly don't know why the two of you go spewing every last scary bit you've ever heard about every disease you can think of when nobody here is actually against vaccination. Who are you preaching to? Why? All that was said is that "if your son gets the measles HE'S GONNA DIE" is ridiculous.